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Steve: thanks a lot for that very eloquent and clear expression of Eugene and whether or not it is the place for me(or anyone for that matter.)
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Originally Posted by Steve97415
With regard to crime, I posted something on the NM forum that I think is very relevant to Eugene (//www.city-data.com/forum/new-mexico/23366-crime-relocation.html).
Knowing the lay of the land and being someone who doesn't care to "take a walk on the wild side" will make Eugene quite safe for the average person with good basic life skills, IMO. I've never felt that it is either unsafe or particularly crowded (though I was often on my bike when I was there, so traffic was usually a non-issue). It is a "big city" only by local comparison. One of the things that many people will tell you that they like about Eugene is its size.
Allergies are very idiosynchratic, so don't buy the argument that a particular locale is "bad for people with allergies" unless you know that you, yourself, are susceptible to the prevailing allergens in that area. Grass pollen is a very common trigger and the Willamette Valley has plenty of it. I, myself, had far worse allergies in southern Arizona than I did in the WV.
Weather is glorious from mid-June to mid-Oct. straight through. How people respond to the weather from late November to late March depends on their individual psyches. Many love the rain and the cool. Some Oregonians will tell you that it is their favorite time of year. Others find the extended damp and the gloom too much to put up with year after year. Seasonal Affective Dysfunction is at the extreme end and affects maybe 5-10% of the people who move here. If you know or even suspect that you might be SAD-susceptible, I would not live anywhere north of the Vitamin D Deficiency Line (35 degrees north). Late March to mid-June and mid-Oct to late November are transitional...mostly cool, partly sunny days with occasional showers mixed in.
One of the things that I encourage people to examine when thinking about a move is what "payoffs" they think a target locale offers for them. A "payoff" is something that you value as an individual that makes enduring the negatives worthwhile. Bicycle-friendliness, enviro-consciousness, gardening potential, local and organic foods, political progressiveness, and cultural diversity are some of the potential payoffs that exist in Eugene. If these are among the things that you attach particular value to, then the payoff is there. If your own personal payoffs do not figure prominently in Eugene, you may not find that the ratio of positives to negatives is favorable enough to warrant the move.
Finally, processing data and the testimonials of others only goes so far. Just like finding a lifemate, finding a suitable city involves a certain Factor X that is very visceral and individual...how should I say this...okay, it concerns "the qi of place". That Chinese word is the only thing that comes to my mind right now. It's a place that sits well in your heart, that enhances your vital energy and produces a natural and social environment that you feel good about being a part of. No matter how many people swear up and down that Eugene is the best place to live in North America, if its qi doesn't dance with your own, then its just another mid-sized city with advantages and disadvantages.
Eugene is like anywhere it has good and bad. If one connects with there own kind of people of which there are some everywhere, one is usually ok where ever. I landed in Eugene in what I thought was my sort of people (liberal) only to find hate, anger, jealousy, and avarice along with an unwillingness to work for the things they covet that boggles the mind.
It is my personal experience that pretty much all government employees especially in regulatory capacity are corrupt. Then there are the "professionals" (unqualified all) who make their money from contracts given to them by the corrupt Gov employees. And the working people in the trades are also not qualified for the most part and are backed up by the Gov employees meant to regulate this.
There is also a not very well hidden practice of treating outsiders selected for whatever reason (some move in and do fine I do not see any but superficial differences between the two) differently which makes even those who aren't unqualified or generally corrupt seem to be so for the things they do to persecute the selected "outsider".
As a rule I find Eugenians to be an arrogant look down their nose sort of people who will say or do anything to undermine another and they will do nothing positive given the opportunity unless overcompensated for it. Forget about giving of oneself to help another or to the community. If you do anything for anyone w/o profiting financially you are ridiculed behind your back and it is taken as permission to steal from you and your neighbors will watch and say nothing to you about it.
If they percieve you to be in a better economic position than themselves they will steal from you, break things and otherwise harm you until you are percieved to be lower than them or you leave. When you leave they will talk very badly about you.
Perception is the thing they do here, not reason, not thought, facts have no effect on chosen perceptions here. Instant snap judgement just like a Jerry Springer viewer or guest. No matter how many times they get it wrong they will not even consider reviewing themselves, it just never occurs to them that they are wrong even when it is in their face.
I find the place to be quite Evil. There is something very very wrong here, this place is nothing like the rest of Oregon where people are not so internally screwed up and the level of corruption and theft is no more or less than anywhere else.
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Sounds like a sweet place to live if you are a government employee!
But seriously, is there any need to rebut this? I think not, but I will give a short one anyways:
Clearly, Eugene is a beautiful place to live and the people, albeit not perfect, are very friendly and open. On the other hand, if you have a lot of mental baggage, it will likely follow you to wherever you live, including Eugene.
Similarly, if you are a person who often has run-ins with the police and/or government employees, I am sure that will also happen to you in Eugene once you arrive. You will probably feel so wronged that you will imagine this never happened to you anywhere else except in Eugene...
Eugene is like anywhere it has good and bad. If one connects with there own kind of people of which there are some everywhere, one is usually ok where ever.
I landed in Eugene in what I thought was my sort of people (liberal) only to find hate, anger, jealousy, and avarice along with an unwillingness to work for the things they covet that boggles the mind.
It is my personal experience that pretty much all government employees especially in regulatory capacity are corrupt. Then there are the "professionals" (unqualified all) who make their money from contracts given to them by the corrupt Gov employees. And the working people in the trades are also not qualified for the most part and are backed up by the Gov employees meant to regulate this.
There is also a not very well hidden practice of treating outsiders selected for whatever reason (some move in and do fine I do not see any but superficial differences between the two) differently which makes even those who aren't unqualified or generally corrupt seem to be so for the things they do to persecute the selected "outsider".
As a rule I find Eugenians to be an arrogant look down their nose sort of people who will say or do anything to undermine another and they will do nothing positive given the opportunity unless overcompensated for it. Forget about giving of oneself to help another or to the community. If you do anything for anyone w/o profiting financially you are ridiculed behind your back and it is taken as permission to steal from you and your neighbors will watch and say nothing to you about it.
If they percieve you to be in a better economic position than themselves they will steal from you, break things and otherwise harm you until you are percieved to be lower than them or you leave. When you leave they will talk very badly about you.
Perception is the thing they do here, not reason, not thought, facts have no effect on chosen perceptions here. Instant snap judgement just like a Jerry Springer viewer or guest. No matter how many times they get it wrong they will not even consider reviewing themselves, it just never occurs to them that they are wrong even when it is in their face.
I find the place to be quite Evil. There is something very very wrong here, this place is nothing like the rest of Oregon where people are not so internally screwed up and the level of corruption and theft is no more or less than anywhere else.
I moved here from Olympia and Oregon's economy is so in the toilet, it's not even funny. I have just about overdosed on Benadryl ever summer that comes, and spring, too. The people are unfriendly, and the crime is insane. I would venture a trip into Seattle's International Neighborhood over walking Eugene streets at night.
The money to try and save to get out of this state is so beyond non-existent because there are NO JOBS it's causing me to consider suicide. The level of health care here is a joke, as are most of the Docs. I have panic disorder and a history of depression and the PCP's here look like a deer in headlights when asked to prescribe any kind of Benzodiazapines. Klonopin, Xanax, Ativan, and the like. I have been on one of those meds or the other alternately since I was about 21. I am 29 now, and still have to fight to get my point across that while they worry about their license being pulled for prescribing a "controlled" med. to a patient who has years of records as back-up to scared doctors, it's still a struggle.
Incredible. What is wrong with all these Small towns and their inability to prescribe Seizure meds! The ones you mentions are used for Panic Disorder and Seizures. I have to fight with Docs in the places I live (and travel to) just as you do, for a variety of controlled and non-controlled Seizure meds. Sounds like I could never move to Eugene given the attitude problem of the Neurology docs there. Back in Seattle, I never had any problems getting Gabitril, Topamax, Trileptal, Lamictal, etc. etc. Keep us posted on what's going on. I am also from Seattle originally. It is the smartest city in the US, and the people are very practical and open to new ideas.
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This state is full of people who either have a lot of money, or who are struggling on all sides of life. Medical insurace, compitent mental health providers, corrupt polotics who like to "tax" the gas in order to fix the roads when infact the roads are so messed up that if it has a downpour the underpasses flood and nearly drown the drivers. Potholes in the roads, and school standards are pretty bad as well. When it's all said and done, I'd rather be in Portland or back in WA. I have had nothing but struggles since moving to OR, and the meth abuse problem here does lead to a lot of crime. The homeless people have nothing provided to them, or not enough to sustain them, so they look to the public for a hand out. And I feel like saying... "No I don't have any spare change, but do you?" Money is tight and jobs are hard to find. Good luck with your move back to WA, and forward thinkers. I miss it, and I would go home if I had the money. So, that's my take on OR. Hope it helps one way or another....
Madeline
Yes they better fix the meth problem, otherwise people will move away from places like Santa Cruz, Boulder, and Flagstaff. It's a serious issue in small college towns with little or no industry.
.........The level of health care here is a joke, as are most of the Docs. I have panic disorder and a history of depression and the PCP's here look like a deer in headlights when asked to prescribe any kind of Benzodiazapines. Klonopin, Xanax, Ativan, and the like.
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...Sounds like I could never move to Eugene given the attitude problem of the Neurology docs there. Back in Seattle, I never had any problems getting Gabitril, Topamax, Trileptal, Lamictal, etc. etc.
Another good reason not to move to Eugene: The troglodyte doctors won't let the patients run the asylum.
These doctors insist on diagnosing their patients' problems and won't even allow the patients to write their own prescriptions for mind altering drugs.
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Maybe the doctors here actually look at the interactions & can't prescribe as many at a time as less informed & more overworked doctors have in the past for these patients. I think doctors here also know that "drug seeking behavior" is rampant among the citizenry.
If a certain combination had worked for a patient in the past, the only reason a doctor would ignore a request for such a combination woud be because of liver overload or other important interactions - or potential abuse issues.
Doctors are held to a certain standard for prescribing from insurance companies, also. If you don't know how to work your doctor & the system in your favor, then it works against you. If the use of expensive treatments can't be justified on paper: it's a no go. If your doctor doesn't listen to you, maybe you don't know HOW to talk to your doctor regarding legitimate needs.
The doctors here are excellent: there's an excellent array of specialists, if your insurance allows you to see them. I've seen their prescriptions & the patients seem to benefit, according to my observance.
When my needs have been out of the ordinary, it has been an uphill struggle to get diagnosis & care - that's where communication & knowing how the insurance system works comes in handy. Thankfully, I've never needed neurological nor psychiatric care other than to be told to be more active outside the house to avoid medicating for nerves & sleeplessness - the same problems every average Joe/Jane have and probably the same remedy, instead of xanax, et al - the drug seekers' goals.
I would never say that the level of available medical care would be a reason for anyone to decide NOT to live here.
Another good reason not to move to Eugene: The troglodyte doctors won't let the patients run the asylum.
These doctors insist on diagnosing their patients' problems and won't even allow the patients to write their own prescriptions for mind altering drugs.
OH!!!, THE BACKWARDNESS OF IT ALL.
Excuse me. The posters have legitimate medical diagnoses that require the aforementioned medications ! Go look in any "Merck Manual" or "Physicians Desk Reference" instead of spouting off your "sarcatic" rhetoric on City-Data. Furthermore, Panic Disorder and all the Seizure Disorders do *NOT* require *MIND-ALTERING* drugs. It involves changes to several neurotransmitters, including benzodiazepine receptors. I have studied Neurology, Neuropharmacology, and Psychiatry and your post is quite offensive, as is this one from "Kate"
TOM IN BOLD
" Maybe the doctors here actually look at the interactions & can't prescribe as many at a time as less informed & more overworked doctors have in the past for these patients. I think doctors here also know that "drug seeking behavior" is rampant among the citizenry. "
WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE ORIGINAL POSTER'S POST? HE / SHE IS NOT DRUG SEEKING. SHE STATES SHE HAS A LEGITAMATE MEDICAL DIAGNOSIS, REQUIRING TREATMENT AS INDICATED IN ANY BASIC MEDICAL TEXT SUCH AS THE MERCK MANUAL.
" If a certain combination had worked for a patient in the past, the only reason a doctor would ignore a request for such a combination woud be because of liver overload or other important interactions - or potential abuse issues. "
NO. THESE SMALL TOWNS ARE KNOWN FOR THEIR INADEQUATE MEDICAL CARE, ESPECIALLY FOR NEUROLOGY AND PSYCHIATRY. FOR EXAMPLE, IN FLAGSTAFF AZ, THERE IS ONLY ONE NEUROLOGIST. PRIMARY CARE DOCS ARE OFTEN NOT COMFORTABLE FOR COMPLICATED REGIMENS OF SEIZURE MEDS.
" Doctors are held to a certain standard for prescribing from insurance companies, also. If you don't know how to work your doctor & the system in your favor, then it works against you. If the use of expensive treatments can't be justified on paper: it's a no go. If your doctor doesn't listen to you, maybe you don't know HOW to talk to your doctor regarding legitimate needs. "
WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY BY SPEAKING IN BROAD GENERALITIES, APPARENTLY TARGETED FOR THE ORIGINAL POSTERS?
" The doctors here are excellent: there's an excellent array of specialists, if your insurance allows you to see them. I've seen their prescriptions & the patients seem to benefit, according to my observance. "
I'M SURE THEY ARE EXCELLENT, HOWEVER, THE ORIGINAL POSTER WAS RELATING SEVERAL PERSONAL BAD EXPERIENCES ABOUT EUGENE, OREGON, INCLUDING THEIR MEDICAL SITUATION.
" When my needs have been out of the ordinary, it has been an uphill struggle to get diagnosis & care - that's where communication & knowing how the insurance system works comes in handy. Thankfully, I've never needed neurological nor psychiatric care other than to be told to be more active outside the house to avoid medicating for nerves & sleeplessness - the same problems every average Joe/Jane have and probably the same remedy, instead of xanax, et al - the drug seekers' goals. "
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THANKFULLY?
THANKFULLY I'VE NEVER NEEDED TREATMENT FOR HEAR DISEASE.
HOW DOES THAT MAKE ME "BETTER" THAN YOU?
WHY ARE YOU BETTER THAN THE ORIGINAL POSTERS BECAUSE YOU'VE NEVER NEEDED PSYCHIATRIC OR NEUROLOGICAL CARE?
AND SINCE WHEN IS "XANAX" A DRUG SEEKERS' GOAL? THE PDR (physicians desk reference) LISTS IT AS AN INDICATED TREATMENT FOR PANIC DISORDER, A MEDICAL CONDITION.
" I would never say that the level of available medical care would be a reason for anyone to decide NOT to live here. "
I'M NOT SO SURE ABOUT THAT. THE OP SAID THEY GOT THEIR MEDS IN SEATTLE BUT NOT EUGENE! OBVIOUSLY, SEATTLE IS BETTER FOR THEM. AS A SEATTLE NATIVE MYSELF I AGREE - THE BEST MEDICAL CARE I EVER HAD WAS IN SEATTLE. VEGAS, FLAGSTAFF, SANTA FE, AND ALBUQUERQUE WERE ALL INFERIOR FOR MANY REASONS.
Whatever civility this thread initially had seems to have disappeared, so let's move on to fresher ground.
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