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Old 02-08-2010, 08:03 AM
 
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Just wanted to add my two cents/experience to the thread:
I tried eugene-after hearing how great it was-liberal,green college town....this was a year ago. we lasted 4 months. (via CA,BUT I lived several years each in missoula and boulder,and wanted that college vibe.)
Eugene felt like a METH CITY. seriously. I did not even read this whole thread,but the whole vibe of that place is now a small city,not a college town. And it's a small city with a meth vibe,at that. Degenerating city,like,I don't know what to compare it to-maybe a former industrial city who's economy has deteriorated and drugs have taken it's place.
I'm sorry that you had such a bad experience in Eugene. It's true, if you look at crime statistics there is more crime in Eugene. (I used Moderator cut: link removed, linking to competitors sites is not allowed) It's also true that the downtown area of Eugene in particular is pretty grungy. Apparently they have been debating for years about how to fix that. What Corvallis doesn't really have is that "artsy" feel that Eugene has. You make some good points and for some people Corvallis is a better choice. I'm in the process of selling my house in Eugene because I don't see myself moving back there. The job market isn't too great. If you're not retired or not working at the university, there isn't too much to do there.

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Old 02-11-2010, 09:36 AM
 
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I have to agree with Mr. E. We lived in Eugene for three years, then moved away for a year and were so homesick for Eugene we had to move back - and are so glad we did. We are a normal family with two kids and we're loving it here.

I think your experience here in Eugene truly depends on three things:

1) Where you plant yourself once you get here: Some neighborhoods are patchy and some downright sketchy but others - like the one we're in - are pretty mundane, crime-free, and well... boring, actually! We're looking to buy our first home in Eugene and we're really digging deep into the city to find a neighborhood we're comfortable in. We like the ecclectic, artsy, funky neighborhoods but unfortunately those also have higher crime or the homes there are very old and outdated and would need lots of work. But the safer, newer neighborhoods to us feel really boring (like the one we're in)... so we're digging and digging to find a middle-ground - that's also affordable! Lucky for us, we're in no hurry.

2) Your money situation: whether or not you earn enough money to live a good life. Eugene has lots of wonderful things going on, but if you're a paycheck-to-paycheck kind of person or family you won't be able to take advantage of much. Eugene is the kind of place where you want to have at least a few hundred bucks a month to spend on FUN. This, though, really goes for anyplace you live... but in Eugene there's so much here that is hidden... and so many awesome roadtrip/day trips and weekend trip opportunities. It's awesome - unless you're broke. I think Eugene would be a very frustrating place to live if you were broke or financially unstable in some way.

3) Your willingness to look past appearances and really get to know the town and its people. As I've said many times before, appearances aren't top priorities for many people here... someone that could have passed for a "meth-head" came to our kids school this week and taught children how to do some amazing art - she's a professor at the university with graduate degrees... you wouldn't know it by looking at her! Her hair was all long, gray, and stringy and her face was without makeup and she was wearing dirty shoes and old stained overalls... she was a really cool person though and very talented... great with the kids! They loved her! I have experienced this over and over again in Eugene. Here it is more about the WHY of what you're doing or just WHAT you're doing... rather than how you look while you're doing whatever it is you do. Whenever I see a trendily dressed person or someone with their hair and nails done or wearing high heels... I always think to myself that they must be from out of state... Oregon doesn't care about how you or your homes or cars look so long as you and they are fun and functional.
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Old 02-11-2010, 09:44 AM
 
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Just wondering who determined that Lane Community college was one of the best in the country??? the country???
I have been taking classes at LCC since about 2004 and I've never heard that. But, here's a link that does list top schools if you're interested... I haven't checked to see if LCC is on there or not yet... Best Colleges - Education - US News and World Report
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Old 02-11-2010, 09:55 AM
 
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This link: Lane Community College - Archives and Records - History Highlights gives a little history of LCC including awards and accomplishment's. The only thing I could find is the US Office of Education - in 1972 - recognizing LCC as one of the six best examples (in the country, I'm assuming?) of a "comprehensive technical-vocational community college".

I don't know about it being the best in the country, honestly. But I do love the time and classes I've taken there, and the teachers and staff have all been great. I especially love the online classes. If you're a student you have a lot of cool resources available to you, and I like walking the campus. I know the culinary program is really good. As is the sustainable gardening program! Love that.
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Old 02-11-2010, 12:24 PM
 
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. We like the ecclectic, artsy, funky neighborhoods but unfortunately those also have higher crime or the homes there are very old and outdated and would need lots of work. But the safer, newer neighborhoods to us feel really boring (like the one we're in)... so we're digging and digging to find a middle-ground - that's also affordable! Lucky for us, we're in no hurry.
Try the Friendly Neighborhood or Jefferson/Westside. College Hill if you can afford it, but it also has cheaper areas.

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Eugene is the kind of place where you want to have at least a few hundred bucks a month to spend on FUN. .
I have to disagree with this. I wouldn't even know HOW to spend a couple hundred in Eugene on "fun" besides restaurants, mostly. Not to say there's nothing to do, but there are plenty of low cost and free things.
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Old 02-12-2010, 11:56 AM
 
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Try the Friendly Neighborhood or Jefferson/Westside. College Hill if you can afford it, but it also has cheaper areas.



I have to disagree with this. I wouldn't even know HOW to spend a couple hundred in Eugene on "fun" besides restaurants, mostly. Not to say there's nothing to do, but there are plenty of low cost and free things.

Maybe the difference for us is that we are a family of four? Not sure if you have kids or not... but we're finding that teenagers and preteens (boys) are pretty expensive. On road trips, when we have to eat out, a single meal can cost us around $40. Times that by however meals you need for a weekend getaway, and well... we need a couple hundred dollars even just to get away for a weekend. We do like yurt camping, but we do stay in hotels, too. Plus gas. If it were just my husband and I.. wow! We could get by so cheap. But life with kids is $$$... and especially with all the fun things to do in Oregon... a $12 admission ticket is nothing for one, or even two... but with kids the cost of things adds up quick.

I do agree, though, that there are tons of free things to do. We love hiking and watching for wildlife and checking out the free festivals and events and so forth... but there's a lot more here to do as well and it's nice to have the money to check those things out, too.
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Old 02-17-2010, 11:40 PM
 
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Just wanted to add my two cents/experience to the thread:
I tried eugene-after hearing how great it was-liberal,green college town....this was a year ago. we lasted 4 months. (via CA,BUT I lived several years each in missoula and boulder,and wanted that college vibe.)
Eugene felt like a METH CITY. seriously. I did not even read this whole thread,but the whole vibe of that place is now a small city,not a college town. And it's a small city with a meth vibe,at that. Degenerating city,like,I don't know what to compare it to-maybe a former industrial city who's economy has deteriorated and drugs have taken it's place.

The farmer's market is amazing;the food options are quite good-SO many health stores and local markets,that was wonderful.

But,truly,it is a scary place to me,and I felt less safe living in Eugene, than living in the urban neighborhood in so cal that I had come from. (or,at least AS safe-whereas you would think that eugene would be more bucolic,esp comparing 100k to 2 million people!)
The air quality in Eugene has serious issues from agri. burn in the summer,esp since it's in a valley. And in fact,the valley gives air quality a run for it's money year round-i was there in the fall/winter.

As soon as you hit eugene limits,you are faced with extreme oregon poverty. Not pristine trails and hikes. The biking is overrated;Corvallis is so much better,as are missoula and boulder.
Plus,many of the trail areas in Eugene are wrought with homeless and the meth issue.

I am sorry to anyone who is offended and who loves Eugene. I had nothing but hopes going in,and had read all the threads on C-D before I went there. I had also visited briefly,but in the summer with a tourist atittude.

Upon living there,I found many areas unsafe,for a city of it's size 100k or less,right? it just didn't make sense.

And,as in all of oregon,employment is non-existent,socialism is huge [there are no charter schools in eugene-or there weren't last I checked,and i think one or two private schools-that's it! it's very socialist,which i guess w/U of O is to be expected,but wow-normally there's more divergence in a univ. town].

I also want to add that my mother visited for sevearl weeks,from the east coast,and she has lived in multiple states and visited me in many others,and she was shocked by eugene and could not believe it-b/c she had heard such great things about oregon. She referred to eugene as 'purgatory'-it was the only word she could think of.
Oh,and my mom and I have very different tastes;so i mention this b/c we both were kind of shocked at the scene/life there.

My assessment is that Eugene once was a college town with vibrancy,and there are precious few remnants of that time-but Eugenians still think they are living in a town in it's prime,which they are not. The meth problem and crime are real issues.

It's fine to say well california is worse or as bad,etc.
But if people are looking to move to a quaint college town with all the amenities that vibe offers,do not choose Eugene. It may have it's benefits,and be right for some,but not for the aforementioned reasons. Choose Corvallis,if you must be in Oregon. I have had multiple friends live in corvallis,and visited numerous times. There you will find a college town in it's hey dey,and a proactive community w/o the social ills and crime of eugene.

Sorry;I did not feel safe in eugene. Boulder has crime and the college area can be iffy,but the city is CLEAN,and not grungy,and I did not feel unsafe there,as I did in Eugene. boulder does not have a meth problem and is far more affluent,for the same size city. So as far as Eugene being 'the same as any college town',not quite true.Corvallis is also far safer than Eugene.
Oh,and i have lived in third world countries [as a single female]for extended periods of time.ie,africa,asia. I chose to move my family to eugene. I think my is somewhat objective/useful for others,based on where I moved from and the comparisons I am going on.
Thanks. Wow. Incredible. Never been there, just driven through on I-5 several times. Went to college in Corvallis and Seattle years ago didn't encounter any of what you talk about in Corvallis.

Yeah, I agree, you're right about Eug probably as somewhat of a post-industrial / post-agricultural town now filled with meth, much like many others in the West such as Flagstaff, AZ & Durango, CO.

Very sad. I don't know what all the answers are.

Fortunately there are still places like Seattle that still are thriving, with a huge industrial / high-tech base. And you're right, Boulder doesn't have a meth problem (I have been there, and would move there, if not for the weather).

As for farmers markets, health food, and organic produce in Eugene, that could be a plus for me - however Corvallis and Ashland would also have this, along w/ many other places in Western WA for those heading up there.

You write better biking in Corvallis? Interesting.
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Old 02-17-2010, 11:45 PM
 
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Many former residential areas are very busy streets now,so those 'older homes' are commercial,or places that you would not want to live/buy a home in.
Thanks again for the info. That's too bad. Poor urban planning if that's the case. Sounds like Boulder where things are very congested with high air pollution. The major arterials could be built on the periphery of the urban growth boundary, as they do in Phoenix along State Trust Land boundaries.

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Corvallis is a college town worth considering for raising a family,and oregon state is there,but that cannot be considered part of the eugene area. And albany has a medical school now-but that is closer to corvallis,too.
When I attended 3 qtrs in Corvallis I never even went to Eugene. They are two entirely different worlds and there's so much to do in BOTH places that one doesn't need to "see" the other.

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Boulder is an exception to college towns of around 100k. However,there are many college towns of around 50k that do not have meth or crime problem-ie,corvallis comes to mind,and towns in the midwest,as well as northeast/new england area.

Meth in the western US is a huge problem,growing daily,
Just piggy backing on your post-thanks!!!(:
I have lived in Albuquerque, Phoenix, Flagstaff, Henderson (NV), and Santa Fe and all have horrible meth problems. I will never again live anywhere with a meth problem. Seattle to my knowledge does not have a significant meth problem in the U District, that is, as of 4 years ago when I lived there (it may have changed). Boulder doesn't have a meth problem, however Durango does.

Beware that much of Albuquerque is not safe since the metheads are moving into middle class areas setting up their labs in newer middle class homes!

Even in gated communities in Phoenix you must bring your kids in by nightfall, or they'll be sold drugs behind the dumpsters! I took real estate photos and saw all the drug dealers parked near power line easements and on frontage roads!

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Old 02-18-2010, 12:08 AM
 
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We like the ecclectic, artsy, funky neighborhoods but unfortunately those also have higher crime or the homes there are very old and outdated and would need lots of work.

someone that could have passed for a "meth-head" came to our kids school this week and taught children how to do some amazing art - she's a professor at the university with graduate degrees... you wouldn't know it by looking at her! Her hair was all long, gray, and stringy and her face was without makeup and she was wearing dirty shoes and old stained overalls... she was a really cool person though and very talented... great with the kids!
1. NO, there SHOULD NOT be a connection between an Artsy Funky neighborhood and whether or not it has Crime and/or Meth. If that's the case in Eugene, then that's not a place I would want to live! Cave Creek, and Carefree, Arizona are artsy horse communities, where the average income is twice that of Eugene according to City-Data (80 grand). Sedona, likewise, and all places have LESS meth than other areas in Arizona. The Plaza area in Santa Fe city limits is artsy, very rich, and has LESS meth than the rest of Santa Fe, both the City and County.

2. The description of this woman DOES NOT meet the description of a meth head (i.e. tweaker). A tweaker would typically be male in all black clothing w/ white and red elements, messed up hair, a hooded sweatshirt, long shorts below the knees, perhaps riding a bike or w/ a baseball cap on backwards. Now that stereotypes a lot of people. Nevertheless, places like Flagstaff, Phoenix, Albuquerque, are full of meth and lots of people like this. Female tweakers are difficult to stereotype; look for the missing teeth from the meth. Heavy meth addicts may appear paranoid and also underweight.

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Once again, I must say, as a normal person living in Eugene, all of this talk about meth is massively, insanely, and dare I say, suspiciously exaggerated. It feels to me like a few posters have an axe to grind and so they reach for the overused claim that such and such city has a "meth problem". Maybe they had a bad time living in Eugene due to personal reasons, or they could not find a job (it's tough to do so in Eugene), or they hung around with a lower-income crowd involved in sketchy activities (including said meth use)? I don't know. But something seems to have skewed their view of reality for the vast majority of Eugene residents.

My advice for fellow forum readers is to do their best to sift through the forum posts on Eugene and divide them according to "reasonable persons like myself" and "ranting long-winded persons with an axe to grind". Needless to say, the posts from "reasonable persons like myself" are probably worth taking to heart.

Hey, it's the internet...you gotta pick and choose among the conflicting "objective views" being offered.
Except for you and Haggardhousehelf, most participants have not had a favorable experience in Eugene.

Meth is a serious issue, meth heads are dangerous and carry guns, my car was almost stolen by a meth head, and I lived next to some in Phoenix and Washington State, and it was very scary.

So far, Eugene stands out on City-Data Forums as a place with serious property crimes and meth, along w/ Albuquerque, Tucson, Flagstaff, and Phoenix. What's going on w/ Eugene's City Management, City of Eugene and Lane County Economic Development, and City / County Police Force? Seriously, something is very wrong there, and requires political reform.

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Old 02-18-2010, 10:25 AM
 
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I think the Eugene police also have a crime map, but it is not as nice as the Register Guard version.
The info they show on the crime maps is changing due to citizen complaints about privacy - so they might not be as useful as they have been in the past. They will still have some information, but to get more you have to contact the police dept directly to get the info.
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