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Old 03-23-2010, 12:28 AM
 
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I have heard that Eugene is a bit grungy but too me that can mean more layed back and only viewed grungy by someone not use to it. Perfect streets and sidewalks are great, but we all can't afford that. I plan to rent somewhere so I can better explore the areas and find out what suits me best. I appreciate opinions to help guide me but not biased opinions that try to make me agree with that opinion. Thanks to everyone who tries to help.
Along w/ many others here, I'll also try to help, but every other observation I offer is trashed, and I don't know why. First, I've concluded (as you apparently have based on yr post) that renting is the best first step in Oregon, because of the economy and crime ... you won't really know if the town you're in will give you a full time job, part time job, and what the crime rate will be in your part of town. Rent month to month if you can ...

Second, Eugene has very grungy, run-down areas of town suffering from Eugene's post-industrial age with meth and pot, and if you have children, they will be offered drugs. And, there is always the concern of rapes, assaults, car thefts, etc. in places like Eugene, and less of a concern in places like Ashland, Corvallis. Although in this economy, as I've said before, the best advice is to have a car alarm and install multiple anti-theft devices all the time, even when you're inside Wallmart for an hour. I've known people who were gone for just an hour from their car and had their windows bashed.

Third, Eugene is not the best place for young professionals (25-35) trying to start white collar careers, due to a lower percentage of white collar jobs. In that respect, Corvallis is better for young white collar professionals, as is Portland and Seattle. Eugene, however, is good for students in that same age range pursuing degrees at UO.

Fourth, Corvallis has one of the lowest unemployment rates in Oregon at about 7.5%, and Eugene is very high at about 12%.

Fifth, Eugene will find itself someday as a University town, and revitalize its downtown and bring in more white collar jobs, like Boulder and Corvallis have.
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Old 03-28-2010, 12:58 AM
 
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Along w/ many others here, I'll also try to help, but every other observation I offer is trashed, and I don't know why.
I am open to both the positive and the negative and I agree that both should be discussed. What is hard to sort out is what is inflamatory. People are naturally defensive. There are good and bad in most towns. I am from a town in Florida that has what I consider an above average meth problem. While some never come into contact with it socially, you can come into contact with it at your job or by visiting certain businesses (staying away from a drug crowd or a bad neighbor is obviously advised but not always possible). We employ 18 to 65 yr olds where I work. The restaurant portion of our business naturally attracts younger people and it is hard to weed out the drug users so I have contact with it and it can't be avoided by the neighborhood I live in. I want to find an area with what would be considered a "low" meth problem. Meth is EVERYWHERE. Sooooo, I am personally trying to get an accurate gage. Crime statistics are not always showing the true picture. We do not show alot of meth busts here but believe me when I tell you it is prevalent. Actually, any medium size city that is not showing meth busts means that there is a problem with the law enforcement as far as I'm concerned. I have also read that Oregon does not have or does not spend enough on law enforcement and that is part of the drug problem. Would like to hear feedback on that as well. Thanks
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Old 03-30-2010, 12:42 AM
 
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Meth is EVERYWHERE. Sooooo, I am personally trying to get an accurate gage. Crime statistics are not always showing the true picture. We do not show alot of meth busts here but believe me when I tell you it is prevalent. Actually, any medium size city that is not showing meth busts means that there is a problem with the law enforcement as far as I'm concerned. I have also read that Oregon does not have or does not spend enough on law enforcement and that is part of the drug problem. Would like to hear feedback on that as well. Thanks
Thanks for your request. I would also like to know why Oregon does not allocated enough resources for prosecution of drug users. I would like a thorough, detailed report reported for each college town, and resort town, in all of Oregon, preferably from Police and DEA officials who are expected to log in under their real names, with emails available for further questions. (CCCVDUR's usual misunderstood NYC-style sarcasm intended.) Thanks.
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Old 03-31-2010, 11:09 AM
 
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I'm glad to hear that Oregon doesn't allocate enough to prosecute drug users. The base drug abuser is as much a victim as any subject of property crime, with the added circumstance of not really losing anything except self-respect. There's no point in wasting money by jailing a tweaker, junkie, pothead, etc. The now-criminal will probably go back out and engage in substance abuse again, resulting in possibly another arrest, more public funds spent, and further erosion of any sense of self-empowerment which allows the personal decision to quit being a victim of the illicit black market.

Now if Oregon isn't putting funds towards busting the production/importation of cocaine, heroin, methamphetamine, and prescription drug abuse (keeping in mind the biggest drug dealers in the nation are all legit), that's another story, and it probably ends with the sound of a budget crunch.
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Old 04-01-2010, 11:48 AM
 
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Drug abuse and government response to the issue is a contentious debate both state and nation wide.

If members wish to discuss Oregon's response to the problem, it would be much preferable to do so in a dedicated thread rather than having the conversation tacked on to request for relocation information.

Thanks.
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Old 04-03-2010, 05:48 PM
 
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Sorry if this is a silly question, but I'm going to ask it anyway!

Are utility rates about the same in Corvallis as Eugene? Looks like Eugene has a publicly owned electric company, but I don't see that Corvallis does. I would think that Eugene's electric rates would be a little less because of this.

What about natural gas? It seems like most rentals I have seen advertised have electric heat, so this may not matter. Where we live now we pay around $200/month in the winter for gas + electric for our not-very-well-insulated, 800-ish-square-foot duplex. So, just thinking, if utilities are significantly lower in OR, maybe we can budget a little more for rent. (When we lived in Des Moines, IA $80 was a big utility bill! But it was Des Moines, IA, so we moved. )
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Old 04-03-2010, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Eugene, OR
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Sorry if this is a silly question, but I'm going to ask it anyway!

Are utility rates about the same in Corvallis as Eugene? Looks like Eugene has a publicly owned electric company, but I don't see that Corvallis does. I would think that Eugene's electric rates would be a little less because of this.

What about natural gas? It seems like most rentals I have seen advertised have electric heat, so this may not matter. Where we live now we pay around $200/month in the winter for gas + electric for our not-very-well-insulated, 800-ish-square-foot duplex. So, just thinking, if utilities are significantly lower in OR, maybe we can budget a little more for rent. (When we lived in Des Moines, IA $80 was a big utility bill! But it was Des Moines, IA, so we moved. )
Sorry, I have no info about Corvallis utilities, but for reference, here are my monthly utility bills in Eugene for the last 12 months. I live in a stand-alone house (2200 sq ft), gas cooking, gas heating, gas fireplace, electric air conditioning, and electric everything else:

Monthly Natural Gas bill:

4/08/09 $75.00
5/08/09 $67.17
6/10/09 $43.45
7/09/09 $23.29
8/03/09 $28.92
9/03/09 $28.68
10/05/09 $39.21
11/03/09 $64.03
12/04/09 $103.34
1/07/10 $170.09
2/04/10 $101.65
3/05/10 $88.48

Monthly Electric/Water/Wastewater/Stormwater Bill
4/20/2009 $90.49
5/18/2009 $93.17
6/17/2009 $127.83
7/20/2009 $156.52
8/18/2009 $191.14
9/18/2009 $165.18
10/19/2009 $137.16
11/17/2009 $121.40
12/17/2009 $158.80
1/19/2010 $167.03
2/18/2010 $134.78
3/19/2010 $126.07

Satellite TV (instead of cable)
around $90 per month
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Old 04-03-2010, 08:05 PM
 
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That rocks, Mr. E. Thank you for the excellent info! Seems like our rates are comparable. If you don't mind, since you've already shared so much, would you say at what temp you keep the thermostat in winter?

I guess I should also mention that I know OR to MT rates are not a direct comparison. For one thing, if/when we relocate to OR, we won't have to worry about heating during 20-degrees-below-zero-windchill nights like we do in MT!
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Old 04-03-2010, 08:10 PM
 
Location: Eugene, OR
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That rocks, Mr. E. Thank you for the excellent info! Seems like our rates are comparable. If you don't mind, since you've already shared so much, would you say at what temp you keep the thermostat in winter?

I guess I should also mention that I know OR to MT rates are not a direct comparison. For one thing, if/when we relocate to OR, we won't have to worry about heating during 20-degrees-below-zero-windchill nights like we do in MT!
We set our thermostat in the winter to 71 degrees F during the day and 69F at night (it's one of those programmable things).

I forget what we use in the summer but 71 degrees sounds familiar for summer also.
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Old 04-04-2010, 12:33 PM
 
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Are utility rates about the same in Corvallis as Eugene? Looks like Eugene has a publicly owned electric company, but I don't see that Corvallis does. I would think that Eugene's electric rates would be a little less because of this.
If the rates are less in Eugene, they're not appreciably so based on my experience. Depending on where you live in the Corvallis area you will have either Pacific Power or Consumers Power (which I believe is a co-op) as your electric utility provider.

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What about natural gas?
I think both cities are on NW Natural, so the rates will be exactly the same, aside from a small city tax or something.

Really, it boils down to how well insulated the home is, and other things like windows and weatherstripping. Our house in Corvallis was much less drafty after we got new double paned windows and added to the attic insulation.
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