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Old 10-12-2012, 09:03 PM
 
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However, when I was living in Ukraine I didn't know much Ukrainian (or Russian) for most of the first year. I think that being friendly and receptive to other people is an even greater quality (or as great a quality as) as knowing the language. I have seen tourists in the countries mentioned, and observed that many of them were immediately wary when a local approached them, perhaps thinking that person wanted something from them (I honestly can't say why they were wary). Heck, I even knew foreigners who lived in Ukraine for years who were wary of locals. Obviously, the locals can sense this and don't bother getting to know them. I couldn't really converse much until my later in my first year, but a genuine smile and accepting that most people were just curious seemed to work well enough
Based on the "reliable" gruffness I've experienced here from Ukrainians and Russians, I have no desire to visit lands immediately north and east of the Black Sea.
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Old 10-13-2012, 12:13 PM
 
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Based on the "reliable" gruffness I've experienced here from Ukrainians and Russians, I have no desire to visit lands immediately north and east of the Black Sea.
They are either trolls or United Russia nationalist syncophants. I would urge you reconsider, as the posters here are not fair representations of the people.
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Old 10-13-2012, 12:16 PM
 
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Based on the "reliable" gruffness I've experienced here from Ukrainians and Russians, I have no desire to visit lands immediately north and east of the Black Sea.
I agree with jeff, to some extent. Did you catch Grey Karast when he first joined? Very friendly and outgoing guy, nice guy. He doesn't do well when put on the defensive, but other than that, he's great. erasure's nice, too, as long as you don't post propagandistic nonsense (either irrationally pro-Russia, or cold-war-ishly anti-Russia).
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Old 10-13-2012, 12:21 PM
 
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I agree with jeff, to some extent. Did you catch Grey Karast when he first joined? Very friendly and outgoing guy, nice guy. He doesn't do well when put on the defensive, but other than that, he's great. erasure's nice, too, as long as you don't post propagandistic nonsense (either irrationally pro-Russia, or cold-war-ishly anti-Russia).
I don't look at it from a historical or economic POV. I just look at it from an adjacent table at a coffeehouse POV. Another thing is that, if I don't speak the language, I generally don't seek to visit a country. Sure, Greece was nice and most of them speak English, but it feels nothing like going to Spain, where everything is effortless, including prolonged conversations with the locals.
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Old 10-13-2012, 12:21 PM
 
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I agree with jeff, to some extent. Did you catch Grey Karast when he first joined? Very friendly and outgoing guy, nice guy. He doesn't do well when put on the defensive, but other than that, he's great. erasure's nice, too, as long as you don't post propagandistic nonsense (either irrationally pro-Russia, or cold-war-ishly anti-Russia).
You're right, I didn't mean to call out all Russian and Ukrainian posters here. Some are very good, in fact I rather enjoy erasure's and Grey's posts.
The people I was referring to; well, you can pretty easily guess who they are
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Old 10-13-2012, 12:33 PM
 
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I don't look at it from a historical or economic POV. I just look at it from an adjacent table at a coffeehouse POV. Another thing is that, if I don't speak the language, I generally don't seek to visit a country. Sure, Greece was nice and most of them speak English, but it feels nothing like going to Spain, where everything is effortless, including prolonged conversations with the locals.
Well, it's nothing new to the threads around the World forum, and especially those on E EUrope, that knowing the language makes a huge difference. And it's true what you say, to some extent; even if you know Russian and were in a coffee shop or equivalent in Russia, people wouldn't chat. But they do warm up and chat in a variety of other contexts. They can take you in as one of their own, almost, after just meeting you, depending on context.

Have you noticed that Americans are pretty reserved themselves? It's rare that they chat with strangers in coffee shops. Or even in the grocery line, with rare exceptions depending on geographic location.

But certainly, Russians can appear to be reserved at first blush. The extraordinary warmth comes out after the ice has been broken.

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Old 10-16-2012, 03:59 PM
 
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I don't look at it from a historical or economic POV. I just look at it from an adjacent table at a coffeehouse POV.
Robert, get over yourself, for goodness sake. You've been moaning about the Russians for weeks based on some encounter with a bunch of Russians in a coffee shop in LA where you perceived them to be rude. You have an uncanny ability to frogleap from the anecdotal to the categorical.
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Old 11-17-2012, 07:42 PM
 
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I'm Polish...we are friendly.
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Old 11-17-2012, 08:10 PM
 
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One thing about Slavic groups (Bulgarians, Ukrainians, Russians, etc.) is that they always rank low, if not at the bottom of the chart, on virtually all surveys of happiness or satisfaction with their life, despite their economic equals and inferiors in other regions of the world scoring higher than them. I wonder why this is? High abortion rate? Post-communist turmoil?

Other common themes that emerge when Slavs learn and speak English is the apparent importance given to the soul, emotions, abstract concepts, and perhaps most importantly, "truth". I don't know whether "truth" is one word in most Slavic languages and they translate it accordingly, or whether it covers a broader range of meaning than it traditionally does in English. This is from my pitiful amount of experience, but I'm wondering if these observations have any validity.
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Old 08-04-2013, 10:48 AM
 
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One thing about Slavic groups (Bulgarians, Ukrainians, Russians, etc.) is that they always rank low, if not at the bottom of the chart, on virtually all surveys of happiness or satisfaction with their life, despite their economic equals and inferiors in other regions of the world scoring higher than them. I wonder why this is? High abortion rate? Post-communist turmoil?

Other common themes that emerge when Slavs learn and speak English is the apparent importance given to the soul, emotions, abstract concepts, and perhaps most importantly, "truth". I don't know whether "truth" is one word in most Slavic languages and they translate it accordingly, or whether it covers a broader range of meaning than it traditionally does in English. This is from my pitiful amount of experience, but I'm wondering if these observations have any validity.



Well you know Slavs, Hungarians and all those in eastern Europe are just like all of us 'round the world. I'd think it really helps if one understands the 'history' there in tat area of the world. Kind of rough, you know? Constant invasions, constant land grabs and we know all about the 'isms' that interrupted life for the worse. If one raeds the history of say Hungary in the 20th and previous to the 20th as well and look off into the distance you'd understand why people are gruff, unfriendly, bleak, depressing etc. Their society was fractured so much by betrayal, disloyalty and hatreds that it no doubt effectively shut off soemthing within themselves, They had to do soemthing to protect themselves. And the language. yeah, it's hard. I got lucky because it was spoken to me as I grew up. Way way way different than 'Ingles'. Way different than the Slavic language too as noted. But one can learn some sayings befiore you go and try to get the phonetics down. Your mouth and tongue might have to flip in different directions but hey if I could do it you can too.
Szervusz! (go on look it up now....;-)...
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