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Old 01-03-2017, 11:54 AM
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Castile did not exist at that time. The Kingdom of León was as an offshot of the Kingdom of Asturias, and the Kingdom of Portugal an offshot of the kingdom of León.
That's correct, I think I see where you're headed Ferdinand I King of Leon and count of Castile crowned himself Emperor of Spain. This was never approved by the Pope with whom he was at odds with.
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Old 01-03-2017, 12:02 PM
 
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That was 600 years later..
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Old 01-03-2017, 12:21 PM
 
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That was 600 years later..
Portugal as been Portugal since 1143. Spain during this time and for the next centuries were just a bunch of different kingdoms. The same for Italy which is not that old as a whole country.

Regarding Portugal being under Spanish crown it was again, 60 years. 1580 after Sebastiao I got killed/disappeared in Alcacer and 1640 after the restoration.
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Old 01-03-2017, 01:01 PM
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That was 600 years later..
Well state your argument. That's so silly going that far back Lol if I go that far back I will have family in every corner of the peninsula
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Old 01-03-2017, 01:42 PM
 
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Why they are so concerned about the differences between Spain and Portugal of 600 years ago.-

Spain and Portugal they could join on the time of the Catholic Kings when we were
very similar peoples.

After of 600 or more years separated , are already 2 different nations although the spaniards, we have some Kinship with Portugal but now already they have a culture different and, much different history.-

So that this is past history that could be , otherwise but today is how it is.-

We have left, if the logical sympathy between relatives .-
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Old 01-04-2017, 03:26 AM
 
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Brazil always was Portugal. The discoverer and ‘’founder’’ of Brazil was the Portuguese Pedro Alvares Cabral. Cities in Brazil were founded and populated for Portuguese people and Brazil received millions of Portuguese in colonial period. So Brazil never was took from Spain.
In the truth Brazil stolen large Spanish territories from Spain and after from Spanish countries neighbors and colonized with his own people and Europeans immigrants.
Brazil took over Uruguay from Spain populated with significant Spanish (born in America) people for some time and they got independence from Brazil not from Spain.
So responding your question ‘’why did Spain fail to take over brazil’’ if Spain has never in his history take over Portugal harder would be take over Brazil basically just a huge Portugal in that time.
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Old 01-04-2017, 06:13 AM
 
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That's what they teach you?
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Old 01-04-2017, 09:29 AM
 
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That's what they teach you?
Just look Tordesilhas agreement and what is Brazil today


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Old 01-04-2017, 10:56 AM
 
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Portugal as been Portugal since 1143. Spain during this time and for the next centuries were just a bunch of different kingdoms. The same for Italy which is not that old as a whole country.

Regarding Portugal being under Spanish crown it was again, 60 years. 1580 after Sebastiao I got killed/disappeared in Alcacer and 1640 after the restoration.


Portugal was just one of those different kingdoms.
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Old 01-04-2017, 10:59 AM
 
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Just look Tordesilhas agreement and what is Brazil today


But those lands did not even exist at that time. Castile had so much land that could not dwelve on jungle. Castile had the entire American continent, North America, so much territory that could not avoid pirates squatting on them, such was the case of the 13 colonies, that were religious sects expelled from Protestant Europe. Not even them wanted them.
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