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Old 01-05-2017, 04:43 AM
 
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Portugal was just one of those different kingdoms.
Correct but Castile got took over all the kingdoms in Iberia LESS Portugal
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Old 01-05-2017, 04:58 AM
 
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No, there was a confederacy in 1492 - Castile and Aragon. Each had their own laws.
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Old 01-05-2017, 06:13 AM
 
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No, there was a confederacy in 1492 - Castile and Aragon. Each had their own laws.
Yes but because the kings Catholics marriage. Isabel and Fernando.

Portuguese people accept Filipe II (king of Spain) as king of Portugal (between 1580 and 1640) in the Iberian Union because with the death of Don Sebastião in battle against Moorish they did not have heirs to the throne yet and Filipe II of Spain was grandson of the Portuguese king Don Manuel I, so Filipe was really the unique with ‘’royal Portuguese blood’’ live and in that time people respected these thinks.
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Old 01-05-2017, 08:53 AM
 
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Correct but Castile got took over all the kingdoms in Iberia LESS Portugal
When Castile has took Aragon?
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Old 01-05-2017, 09:40 AM
 
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With the marriage of the Catholics kings Isabel and Fernando. Am I wrong?


Iberia Union was bad for Brazil because the enemies of Spain (England, Holland and France) started attack Brazil (kingdom of Portugal, Brazil and Algarve) to harm king Filipe included northeast Brazil was taken by Netherlands as his colony in that time so was supported by Brazilians the dynasty of ‘’house of Braganças’’ took back the control the kingdom of Portugal, Brazil and Algarve from Castile.
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Old 01-05-2017, 09:43 AM
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When Castile has took Aragon?
Pretty much with the Neuva Planta decrees. What language do most Aragonese speak? Who is the master?
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Old 01-05-2017, 09:37 PM
 
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Portugal was just one of those different kingdoms.
So?

The fact is, neither of those kingdoms were Spain yet!! Exactly they were different kingdoms/countries.

Portugal however was independent of everyone since 1143!

Spain didnt exist... it was many kingdoms of what is now Spain. Spain, as a country only started in the late 1400s
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Old 01-06-2017, 05:18 AM
 
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Puffff....just a kingdom, there were no "countries" or modern states back then. There were republics in Italy..but nothing to do with kingdoms.
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Old 01-13-2017, 06:58 AM
 
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Actually who fail to take over Brazil were the french and the dutch.

The potential riches of tropical Brazil led the French, who did not recognize the Tordesillas Treaty that divided the world between the Spanish and the Portuguese, to attempt to colonize parts of Brazil. In 1555, the Nicolas Durand de Villegaignon founded a settlement within Guanabara Bay, in an island in front of today's Rio de Janeiro. The colony, named France Antarctique, led to conflict with Governor General Mem de Sá, who waged war against the colony in 1560. Estácio de Sá, nephew of the Governor, founded Rio de Janeiro in 1565 and managed to expel the last French settlers in 1567. Jesuit priests Manuel da Nóbrega and José de Anchieta were instrumental in the Portuguese victory by pacifying the natives who supported the French.
Another French colony, France Équinoxiale, was founded in 1612 in present-day São Luís, in the North of Brazil. In 1614 the French were again expelled from São Luís by the Portuguese.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial_Brazil

As we can see, the french were inviolved in the creation of two brazilian capitals. They founded São Luís and Rio de Janeiro was founded to kick them out.

From 1630 to 1654, the Dutch set up more permanently in commercial Recife and Olinda. With the capture of Paraiba in 1635, the Dutch controlled a long stretch of the coast most accessible to Europe (Dutch Brazil), without, however, penetrating the interior. The large Dutch ships were unable to moor in the coastal inlets where lighter Portuguese shipping came and went. Ironically, the result of the Dutch capture of the sugar coast was a higher price of sugar in Amsterdam. During the Nieuw Holland episode, the colonists of the Dutch West India Company in Brazil were in a constant state of siege, in spite of the presence of the Count John Maurice of Nassau as governor (1637–1644) in Recife. Nassau invited scientific commissions to research the local flora and fauna, resulting in added knowledge of the territory. Moreover, he set up a city project for Recife and Olinda, which was partially accomplished. Remnants survive into the modern era. After several years of open warfare, the Dutch finally withdrew in 1654.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial_Brazil


About Portugal and Spain, I see Spain as a more diversificated country, multilingual and traditionally multiethinic, while Portugal became multiethinic because of the immigration from the former colonies.
But ironically I see Portugal as a more inclusive country than Spain.
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Old 01-13-2017, 08:02 AM
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Actually who fail to take over Brazil were the french and the dutch.

The potential riches of tropical Brazil led the French, who did not recognize the Tordesillas Treaty that divided the world between the Spanish and the Portuguese, to attempt to colonize parts of Brazil. In 1555, the Nicolas Durand de Villegaignon founded a settlement within Guanabara Bay, in an island in front of today's Rio de Janeiro. The colony, named France Antarctique, led to conflict with Governor General Mem de Sá, who waged war against the colony in 1560. Estácio de Sá, nephew of the Governor, founded Rio de Janeiro in 1565 and managed to expel the last French settlers in 1567. Jesuit priests Manuel da Nóbrega and José de Anchieta were instrumental in the Portuguese victory by pacifying the natives who supported the French.
Another French colony, France Équinoxiale, was founded in 1612 in present-day São Luís, in the North of Brazil. In 1614 the French were again expelled from São Luís by the Portuguese.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial_Brazil

As we can see, the french were inviolved in the creation of two brazilian capitals. They founded São Luís and Rio de Janeiro was founded to kick them out.

From 1630 to 1654, the Dutch set up more permanently in commercial Recife and Olinda. With the capture of Paraiba in 1635, the Dutch controlled a long stretch of the coast most accessible to Europe (Dutch Brazil), without, however, penetrating the interior. The large Dutch ships were unable to moor in the coastal inlets where lighter Portuguese shipping came and went. Ironically, the result of the Dutch capture of the sugar coast was a higher price of sugar in Amsterdam. During the Nieuw Holland episode, the colonists of the Dutch West India Company in Brazil were in a constant state of siege, in spite of the presence of the Count John Maurice of Nassau as governor (1637–1644) in Recife. Nassau invited scientific commissions to research the local flora and fauna, resulting in added knowledge of the territory. Moreover, he set up a city project for Recife and Olinda, which was partially accomplished. Remnants survive into the modern era. After several years of open warfare, the Dutch finally withdrew in 1654.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial_Brazil


About Portugal and Spain, I see Spain as a more diversificated country, multilingual and traditionally multiethinic, while Portugal became multiethinic because of the immigration from the former colonies.
But ironically I see Portugal as a more inclusive country than Spain.
It has historically played out that way all you have to do is look at how the Edict of Expulsion played out in Spain in 1492 and contrast it to the Expulsion in Portugal in 1497. Which sadly by the was religious fanaticism which was imported from Spain.
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