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Old 01-14-2014, 12:58 PM
 
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North african's are not arabs
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Old 01-14-2014, 02:16 PM
 
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Never heard an arab or arabic speaker speak spanish and curious to know, since spain and especially Granada and Andalusia were under muslim rule for over 700 years
Andalusia has always had an array of influences and cultures, religions, and ethnicities. There were lots of Jews and Muslims of all races and origins since ancient times.

There were also many Sub Saharan black Africans in Spain also, especially in Andalusia since ancient times.

Arabs can be of any race or religion.

We also can't forget influences from North African groups of peoples.

And the Spanish Inquistion in 1492 made Muslims and Jews choose between life or death, choosing the Christian cross or facing expulsion.
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Old 01-14-2014, 02:20 PM
 
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Andalusian accents were very influential in the Canary Islands accent to a degree.
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Old 01-15-2014, 11:19 AM
 
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The Arabic influence in Andalusia is cultural since 99 percent of all muslims were Christian converts to Islamism to dodge taxes. Andalusia was a place similar to modern day Bosnia, but far more advanced.

Most of the ethnic cleansing after the reconquest affected mostly Iberians, the brutal expulsion involving a large percentage of the population (1600) affected mainly "moriscos", that were "muladies", converted christians.

Arabs do not have "andalusi" accent at all.
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Old 01-15-2014, 11:26 AM
 
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Andalusia has always had an array of influences and cultures, religions, and ethnicities. There were lots of Jews and Muslims of all races and origins since ancient times.

Jews are Jews, Spanish Jews were originally from Judea. Most Muslims were converted Crhistian and Goths, and a small group of berbers and a tiny group of Arabs (Irak and Syria mostly).

There were also many Sub Saharan black Africans in Spain also, especially in Andalusia since ancient times.

Not true.

Arabs can be of any race or religion.

No, Arabs are a very specific ethnicity, many are Christian. Muslims, yes, they can be of any race.

We also can't forget influences from North African groups of peoples.

Before the islamic invasion, they were more european than northen Europe.

And the Spanish Inquistion in 1492 made Muslims and Jews choose between life or death, choosing the Christian cross or facing expulsion.
Jews could decide, but Moorish were not given the opportunity...most expelled "Moriscos" were originally Christian that became Muslims and then Christian again
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Old 01-15-2014, 12:04 PM
 
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The Arabic influence in Andalusia is cultural since 99 percent of all muslims were Christian converts to Islamism to dodge taxes. Andalusia was a place similar to modern day Bosnia, but far more advanced.

Most of the ethnic cleansing after the reconquest affected mostly Iberians, the brutal expulsion involving a large percentage of the population (1600) affected mainly "moriscos", that were "muladies", converted christians.

Arabs do not have "andalusi" accent at all.
You mean the Jizya - a taxation imposed on non-muslims, as in

"In practice, the word is applied to a special type of tax, levied upon the non-Muslim adult males living under an Islamic state"


And

"al-Razi says in his interpretation of the quranic verse(9:29) in which the jizya was enacted:

The intention of taking the jizya is not to approve the disbelief of non-Muslims in Islam, but rather to spare their lives and to give them some time; in hope that during it; they might stop to reflect on the virtues of Islam and its compelling arguments, and consequently converting from disbelief to belief. That's why it's important to pay the jizya with humiliation and servility, because naturally, any sensible person can not stand humiliation and servility. So if the disbeliever is given some time watching the pride of Islam and hearing evidences of its authenticity, and see the humiliation of the disbelief, then apparently this might carry him to convert to Islam, and that's the main rationale behind the enactment of the jizya"
Jizya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Is this what you mean by "dodging taxes?"








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Old 01-17-2014, 11:36 AM
 
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Yes, the Islamic state existing during tolerant eras also contemplated and respected all "people of the book" (Muslims, Christians and Jewish)...but not muslims were socially discriminated and had to pay a tax, but they were tolerated.

But during the intolerant period of Al Andalus, Christians (Mozarabes) communities were attacked, that was idiotic because they fled north and beefed up christian armies.

Dodging taxes = avoid taxes, if you were a muslim you did not have to pay taxes as a "dimmni".

I studied that period and do you know that rich people married Russian teenage girls brought from Constantinople and later from Ishtambul, when it changed name? Rich people just dropped their old women and bought and marry a young sweetheart.

I guess that life went faster in those days,
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Old 01-24-2014, 04:03 AM
 
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If you don't mind -
1. By whose law?
and 2. Define "marriage" according to Islam please.
Not true again,at that time mixed mariages were so common,the ruler of Cordoba was muslim but his wives were christians.
Islam in Spain was not strict,in the sense that people of different faith were living under the same ruler.
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Old 01-24-2014, 04:07 AM
 
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The Arabic influence in Andalusia is cultural since 99 percent of all muslims were Christian converts to Islamism to dodge taxes. Andalusia was a place similar to modern day Bosnia, but far more advanced.

Most of the ethnic cleansing after the reconquest affected mostly Iberians, the brutal expulsion involving a large percentage of the population (1600) affected mainly "moriscos", that were "muladies", converted christians.

Arabs do not have "andalusi" accent at all.
It's the other way around,the andalusian who have an arab accent.just listen to flamenco music which is originally an arab music
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Old 01-24-2014, 04:10 AM
 
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North african's are not arabs
True,the native populations of North Africa are not arabs but amazigh (the greeks and romans called them Berberes)
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