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Any Berber or Northern African (caucasic) ethnic influence in Spain is older, going back to Neolithic, Libyo-Carthaginian contacts and Roman Empire influence. During the Roman Empire, Northern Africa was the richest area and their inhabitants were romanized and later became christian, for example, Saint Agusting was from there. Such genetic influence is found in all Europe, from Britain to Austria. For example, A.Hitler came from that stock.
Spain was not really conquered by Islam in 17 years. It was a mass conversion since people viewed Islam as more convenient. There was no fight, cities surrendered and the visigothic authorities became emirs and adopted the islamic religion. Visigoths were "arrians" and they accepted Islam better that Catholic orthodoxy.
It's the other way around,the andalusian who have an arab accent.just listen to flamenco music which is originally an arab music
Not true. A large part of Flamenco was brought from Gypsies, and the rest is African and Spanish moorish. Black Africans created most of the basis of Flamenco, taking as base moorish and Gypsy music. Such a fact is easily seen in all the novels of the "Golden Century", 16th and 17th Century.
Andalusian blacks "negros curros" were expelled to Havana some 250 years ago, there they were instrumental in the creation of all Cuban and Latin American music (tango, bolero, zaranandas, etc).
Well I asked this because I'm taking Spanish history in my class and it's talking about the Christians and Muslims in Spain. However it never mentioned that the Visigoths, celts, Jews or Arabs mixing together... Or their languages together... I find it strange that the Spanish don't have Arabic blood. Also, did the non Arabs or non moors know Arabic or speak it? It never mentioned anything like that
Not true. A large part of Flamenco was brought from Gypsies, and the rest is African and Spanish moorish. Black Africans created most of the basis of Flamenco, taking as base moorish and Gypsy music. Such a fact is easily seen in all the novels of the "Golden Century", 16th and 17th Century.
Andalusian blacks "negros curros" were expelled to Havana some 250 years ago, there they were instrumental in the creation of all Cuban and Latin American music (tango, bolero, zaranandas, etc).
You got it wrong, the same famenco songs have their equivalent in arabic, i know the culture of the area.
Not only music,similarities are striking.
But in Morrocco there's a group that asserts that they are descendants of Arabs arrived during the 7th Century.
I can tell that you're not familiar with the history of North Africa.
Can you answer one simple question,before the arab conquest in NA,who were the native inhabitants of North Africa?
You got it wrong, the same famenco songs have their equivalent in arabic, i know the culture of the area.
Not only music,similarities are striking.
Apparently not very well.
Flamenco is a mixture of Gypsies, Arabs, Castilians Sephardic and Africans musical styles, but the main contributor were the Gypsies, north India, not Arabs.
If any flamenco song has an Arabic equivalent is a mere coincidence, the first time there was an evidence of flamenco was in the late XIX century, and at that time there were no relations between Spain and Arabs countries, and muslims were expelled from Iberia more than 200 years before.
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It's the other way around,the andalusian who have an arab accent.just listen to flamenco music which is originally an arab music
Where did you get this?
Andalucian is an atlantic dialect, in the same group as Caribbean dialects.
Cubans or Venezuelans have an Arab accent?
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Not true again,at that time mixed mariages were so common,the ruler of Cordoba was muslim but his wives were christians.
Islam in Spain was not strict,in the sense that people of different faith were living under the same ruler.
I can tell you are not familiar with Al Andalus history.
No, mixed marriages were not common at all.
Wich ruler of Cordoba are you talking about? There were a few and the Caliphate of Cordoba was only a short period of time at the beginning of Al Andalus. What about the other 500 years
Anyway, any muslim king, emir, caliph or whatever you want to call it, that ruled in Iberia had a lot of christians women in their harems (most of them abducted) but to become an official wive they should convert to islam.
Islam in Spain was not strich only during the Caliphate of Cordoba and arab domination. In XI century tthere was an invasion of Muslim fundamentalists from North Africa and other religions were persecuted. Yes, people of different faiths were living under the same ruler, but in constant war between them.
Not true. A large part of Flamenco was brought from Gypsies, and the rest is African and Spanish moorish. Black Africans created most of the basis of Flamenco, taking as base moorish and Gypsy music. Such a fact is easily seen in all the novels of the "Golden Century", 16th and 17th Century.
Andalusian blacks "negros curros" were expelled to Havana some 250 years ago, there they were instrumental in the creation of all Cuban and Latin American music (tango, bolero, zaranandas, etc
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They are NOT, you seems to know nuts about them !
