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I don't blame the Germans for being offended about being associated with the Nazis one bit.
That's like the old saw about White Southerners being racist because 50 years ago they made Blacks sit at the back of the bus, separate the water fountains, schools, etc etc.
It assumes children are a fax copy of their parents - which obviously was not true of Baby Boomers as a whole, given the Greatest Generation as a whole was/is more socially conservative. C'mon, it's not that much of a creative leap to transfer that same principle to people of other countries.
Germans today mostly don't consider the Nazi era THEIR past. Just like white Americans today mostly refuse to be associated with the killing of millions of Africans during the slavery era. Germans today are just tired of people outside Germany not getting over it...
Apart from that, Germans think the same about Nazis as other people do. Some Germans, Americans, etc. are fans of the Nazis and their ideology, but most Germans, Americans, etc. don't like them. I would not say hate because hating implies passion, which people today usually don't feel due to the remoteness of that time.
I guess it is always important to point out that Nazis is not the same as Germans, not now, not back then. Many Germans went to war because they had to (just like Americans today have to go to war wherever they are sent by Washington), not because they were Nazis (voting for another party was really dangerous back then, people had loved ones they had to think of). Nor was WWII as such the sole fault of the Germans, some already warned at the end of WWI that Germany was being pushed into that direction by the way WWI was settled. Nor was the Holocaust the sole fault of the Germans, the US played a key role because wealthy racist Americans (Rockefeller foundation etc.) openly funded and inspired Hitler's pseudo-science regarding race etc.
There was a reason why I put their between ""...
Then, I mostly agree with what you said, maybe some historical consideration but this is neither the place nor the time to discuss them.
Just a side thought here. The international community is much harsher to Germany than to Japan, with respect to this issue.
Japanese politicians can openly deny some war crimes, "revise" text books, and even worship war criminals at a shrine.
Although Japanese did not commit genocide, they murdered and raped way too many civilians, and used "comfort women" from Japan and other Asian countries. Even my great grandfather was killed by Japanese.
Japanese also conducted "biological experiments" on POWs and civilians, including Chinese, Russians and Americans. Just google "Unit 731". The US obtained all the "medical data" at the end of the war; and as a condition, the criminals were not even punished
You don't see these things in Hollywood movies that much.
It sounds like you are a member of the "Google Generation". Why do you not google Chinese war crimes for a change? Scratch your own nose. Nobody loves a looser so Germany it is until the next big war.
It sounds like you are a member of the "Google Generation". Why do you not google Chinese war crimes for a change? Scratch your own nose. Nobody loves a looser so Germany it is until the next big war.
I learned all these in history class in China. At that time there was no google.
China did NOT commit any severe war crime against other nations in recent history.
I agree on Japan, terrible history as well.
Nor is Germany a looser, actually, it is a winner yet again (which pisses some of its former enemies off), just look at it today, probably the most solid economy in the world, hence giant surpluses, in the top 10 in all kinds of rankings...
I agree on Japan, terrible history as well.
Nor is Germany a looser, actually, it is a winner yet again (which pisses some of its former enemies off), just look at it today, probably the most solid economy in the world, hence giant surpluses, in the top 10 in all kinds of rankings...
The real loser is China.
China had been a unified republic and developed fast before WWII. The Japanese ruined everything.
The communists manged to strengthen themselves during and after the war, and eventually won the civil war in 1949. They could have been eliminated by the government forces if Japanese did not invade.
WWII had happened well before 20 years ago.
Are you a Japanese or something? Take it easy. What do you want to deny btw? The rape of Nanking or Unit 731?
My great grandfather was brutally murdered by Japanese invaders but I still have Japanese friends.
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