how do young people in Germany view Nazis now? (best, England, Polish)
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Something like that, but in OP's case it's the other way around I guess; first he has to distort ( to blur) the general picture, and that's how "romantic hero" shows up in it; hence - no particular thoughts of "devil's business."
Are you a 10 year-old pupil or something? Devil?
Rommel, for example, refused to persecute Jewish soldiers despite the order. He also refused to execute captured British. He was forced to commit suicide by Hitler.
You don't seem to have any passion or knowledge of history, but keep talking like a naughty teenager. Do you know you look funny in other people's eyes?
The Soviet offensive plans controversy refers to the debate among historians on the question of whether Soviet Dictator Joseph Stalin was planning to invade Germany prior to Operation Barbarossa.
As Glantz pointed out, there are no proofs whatsoever that Stalin accepted Zhukov Plan which called for an attack on 6th July 1941.
Plus, all the thesis is based on Suvorov's thesis which has been widely disproved: Suvorov said the Red Army had an offensive stance and deployment when Barbarossa started out, it's false.
As Glantz pointed out, there are no proofs whatsoever that Stalin accepted Zhukov Plan which called for an attack on 6th July 1941.
Plus, all the thesis is based on Suvorov's thesis which has been widely disproved: Suvorov said the Red Army had an offensive stance and deployment when Barbarossa started out, it's false.
Well, since it was not something that really happened, we can only talk about speculations.
People can have very different opinions on what to believe and what not to believe.
IMO the Soviets did want to expand whenever there was a chance. Not necessarily because they want to rule other nations, but it was a character of communism at that time. They wanted to unify the world and build a new world, which they believed is good. Even China "exported revolutions" to neighboring countries after 1949.
Rommel, for example, refused to persecute Jewish soldiers despite the order. He also refused to execute captured British. He was forced to commit suicide by Hitler.
You don't seem to have any passion or knowledge of history, but keep talking like a naughty teenager. Do you know you look funny in other people's eyes?
Hon, it's called "metaphor" and I, being a 10 year old pupil know it, while you, being a 12 years old apparently don't.
(The rest still stands. )
Well, since it was not something that really happened, we can only talk about speculations.
People can have very different opinions on what to believe and what not to believe.
IMO the Soviets did want to expand whenever there was a chance. Not necessarily because they want to rule other nations, but it was a character of communism at that time. They wanted to unify the world and build a new world, which they believed is good. Even China "exported revolutions" to neighboring countries after 1949.
Why am I not surprised to hear all that?
These were the ideas of early Bolsheviks in Russia, circa 1917-1924.
But already by 1926 the decision of "building the socialism in one country" has been made during the XIV conference of the Russian Communist party; the biggest proponent of this idea was Stalin himself, and from that point on that's where all efforts have been concentrated.
So nope, sorry - no plans for "expansion" for the Russians at that historic period; the opposite is nothing but a hearsay.
Overall when it comes to Russia vs Europe in terms of invasions, think about it in these terms; Russia is a huge country, sparsely populated, rich in natural resources and disorganized and mismanaged for the most part. Europe - is quite the opposite. So really, there is no need/ motivation for Russians to go and conquer Europe, while Europe can benefit a lot while conquering Russia. It's that simple.
Why am I not surprised to hear all that?
These were the ideas of early Bolsheviks in Russia, circa 1917-1924.
But already by 1926 the decision of "building the socialism in one country" has been made during the XIV conference of the Russian Communist party; the biggest proponent of this idea was Stalin himself, and from that point on that's where all efforts have been concentrated.
So nope, sorry - no plans for "expansion" for the Russians at that historic period; the opposite is nothing but a hearsay.
Overall when it comes to Russia vs Europe in terms of invasions, think about it in these terms; Russia is a huge country, sparsely populated, rich in natural resources and disorganized and mismanaged for the most part. Europe - is quite the opposite. So really, there is no need/ motivation for Russians to go and conquer Europe, while Europe can benefit a lot while conquering Russia. It's that simple.
I already posted the wiki link. You can read it and draw your own conclusions.
The communism ideology was just one factor among many factors, there were also military/strategic considerations, etc.
As I said people believe what they want to believe and I never seen anyone convince another on internet either.
The Soviet offensive plans controversy refers to the debate among historians on the question of whether Soviet Dictator Joseph Stalin was planning to invade Germany prior to Operation Barbarossa.
It is naive to ignore Poland because they were "quickly" (lasted longer than France who had larger military and more time to prepare) defeated by 4 invading nations (Germany, USSR, Slovakia and Prussia)
But Russia was still years away from a theoretical invasion of Germany/Central Europe because they knew Poland stood in the way. And let's remember what happened last time
Polish-Soviet War 1919-1921
According to American sociologist Alexander Gella "the Polish victory had gained twenty years of independence not only for Poland, but at least for an entire central part of Europe
Well, since it was not something that really happened, we can only talk about speculations.
People can have very different opinions on what to believe and what not to believe.
IMO the Soviets did want to expand whenever there was a chance. Not necessarily because they want to rule other nations, but it was a character of communism at that time. They wanted to unify the world and build a new world, which they believed is good. Even China "exported revolutions" to neighboring countries after 1949.
No doubt that USSR would've invaded, especially if Germany stuck up in the mud in the West.
Yet, there's no proof whatsoever that USSR was about to invade Germany just prior to Barbarossa.
One reason for the Soviet offensive theory might be that Stalin didn't think Hitler would attack, the defenses were ill-prepared, and on the other hand Stalin didn't want to provoke Hitler, so the troops were just sitting there.
The Russian communications were broken down immediately after the initial attack, a very bad sign for a possible offensive.
If the Soviet Union would've plan an attack, it should've put all top-of-the-line equipment, like the new T-34, at the front lines, but they weren't. The VVS flew initially mainly old planes, and had only 39 (!) Mig-1 fighters available on 22 June, and around 200 IL-2 Sturmoviks!
No, the Soviet Union was definitely not planning an offensive being so ill prepared.
No doubt that USSR would've invaded, especially if Germany stuck up in the mud in the West.
Yet, there's no proof whatsoever that USSR was about to invade Germany just prior to Barbarossa.
The Barbarossa operation was certainly well before Stalin's attack plan, if there was any. No doubt the Soviets were not prepared.
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