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It's just heaps of nonsense from Russian propaganda YouTube channels, it's not worth my time to keep dissecting it. They have a bigger budget than I do, good for them. I've lost interest rebutting the nonstop propaganda. Nobody believes it but the Vova followers but go ahead and keep on spreading lies about Ukraine here. And in the other thread lies about how great Putin is running Russia.
Heartfelt thank you, because it's not worth our time here following your "dissection," since we already know what it's all about)))
Hopefully the members of the forum will not be disturbed if I go back to this subject briefly. Recently I was again reaffirmed by the fact that Soviet Russia, which as we know was of course the heart and engine of the commie Bloc, indeed subsidized its subordinate countries (both satellites and the ussr's republics). I just recently read the memoirs of a local ex-politician who began political participation during Gorbachev's perestroika and whose political views are anti-Soviet and anti-Russian ones. In a nutshell, a person who certainly cannot be considered being a Russophile writes that during the USSR era (as we know, then there was a shortage of consumer goods), the USSR was unofficially divided into three areas for supply to the population with above mentioned goods.
The first, priority zone included the cities of Moscow and Leningrad, the popular Black Sea resorts such as Sochi and Yalta and... the three Baltic republics. The Soviet authorities supplied consumer goods primarily to this first zone. The other two zones (including the rest of Russia Proper aka RSFSR itself) had to wait and received the goods left over from supplying the first zone.
I believe that Russia similarly subsidized the Eastern European satellite countries by supplying them with free/very cheap raw materials, energy and other things like that.
Lots of ways to interpret that data. There is no verification of the contents of that list. The Ussr did not measure production in dollar values so its hard to say what the real number is.
What is measurable is the fact that former satellites are far wealthier now than they were under the Ussr. The standards of living used to be the same in czechia as most places in Russia. Now its not even close.
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Hopefully the members of the forum will not be disturbed if I go back to this subject briefly. Recently I was again reaffirmed by the fact that Soviet Russia, which as we know was of course the heart and engine of the commie Bloc, indeed subsidized its subordinate countries (both satellites and the ussr's republics). I just recently read the memoirs of a local ex-politician who began political participation during Gorbachev's perestroika and whose political views are anti-Soviet and anti-Russian ones. In a nutshell, a person who certainly cannot be considered being a Russophile writes that during the USSR era (as we know, then there was a shortage of consumer goods), the USSR was unofficially divided into three areas for supply to the population with above mentioned goods.
The first, priority zone included the cities of Moscow and Leningrad, the popular Black Sea resorts such as Sochi and Yalta and... the three Baltic republics. The Soviet authorities supplied consumer goods primarily to this first zone. The other two zones (including the rest of Russia Proper aka RSFSR itself) had to wait and received the goods left over from supplying the first zone.
I believe that Russia similarly subsidized the Eastern European satellite countries by supplying them with free/very cheap raw materials, energy and other things like that.
Affirmative.
As someone who traveled extensively throughout USSR ( because of my job) in 1985-1986, it was obvious to me that the supply of consumer goods/food was very uneven throughout the country.
Baltic countries were indeed subsidized better than anyone else and the most poverty-stricken were central Russian regions (I remember Yaroslavl - oh my god...) - practically anywhere in the radius of 100 km around Moscow too..
Siberia/Russian Far East fared much better in this respect.
When it comes to the satellite countries - of course their economies were heavily subsidized by Russian oil/gas. The goods/food stuff they were shipping to Russia in return were going straight to Moscow/St. Pet for the most part.
MOSCOW, 18 Jul — RIA Novosti, Alexander Forest. Verkhovna Rada Deputy from the party "servant of the people" Alexander Dubinsky said that the country's dying industry, and called for the establishment of a special Ministry to solve this problem. The owners of enterprises, according to the State statistics service, do not believe in improvement and expect further reductions in production.
Nobody wants
Instead of reviving industry, the Ukrainian authorities "just change bed", said the Deputy on air of TV channel "112". In his opinion, we must create a special Agency that can revive the production of goods in the country.
"I don't know how: in a country that was a major industrial Republic of the Soviet Union, comparable with France in terms of GDP, there is no Ministry of industry", — was indignant the Deputy.
Indeed, the Ukrainian industry is going through hard times. Industrial production declined throughout the second half of last year, and in November has fallen from 7.5% in comparison with the same period of 2018.
State statistics Committee of Ukraine notes that seriously slowed down in almost all sectors: output in the manufacturing sector decreased by five percent, extractives — eight, the supply of electricity and gas fell by 12%.
And change for the better is not expected. Interviewing the heads of a thousand enterprises, the state statistics service found that they expected to reduce production capacity by nearly four percentage points by the end of the first quarter relative to the fourth quarter of 2019.
Analysts of Agency explain this, including a further fall in foreign demand for Ukrainian goods. "Assessment of the current volume of foreign orders for manufacture of products in the industry stands at minus 24%, in processing industry — at minus 29%," — said in the state statistics.
On the same issue, indicates the Minister of economic development of Ukraine Tymofiy mylovanov. According to him, prevents export of carbon border tax in Europe. In fact, this additional customs tariff that makes imports from countries investing in green industries, more expensive and, consequently, less attractive for European consumers.
"Ukraine has lost Russian market and can't compensate at the expense of exports to the EU", — declared Milovanov, speaking in Parliament on 10 February. In particular, the official said, in mechanical engineering exports to Russia declined from 2013 to 2019 nearly six — fold, from 5.5 billion dollars to less than a billion. "Exports to EU countries during this time grew from two to three billion and is not able to fully replace these losses", — stated the Minister.
The machines are outdated
Another factor that reduces the competitiveness of Ukrainian companies — the level of deterioration of the basic means of production. According to Milovanov, the national average, this figure reaches 60%, industry 66%.
To remedy the situation, the office Milovanova plan to create a focal point in which the problems of the industry will be discussed with the participation of leaders of large enterprises, industry associations, think tanks and officials.
Milovanov added that to overcome the crisis in industry, the government intends to allocate an additional 20 billion hryvnia (about $ 800 million). These funds will be directed on development of transport infrastructure, sectoral programmes and in the defence production.
Not very clear where to take so much money. For comparison, in 11 months of 2019, the entire Ukrainian budget collected 810 billion hryvnia — 20% less than planned. Only on repayment of debts to foreign creditors this year the country will spend about 420 billion.
Not many consumers
However, even if the money is there, spend it in vain, because to buy additional products just a nobody — the domestic demand is decreasing at a catastrophic rate. It is of commodities.
Three years retail sales of flour in the country fell by 21.5%, meat and meat products — by 13%, sugar — 11, bread — almost eight. The main reason is the rapid decrease in population. Primarily due to emigration.
Ukrainians continue to seek a better life abroad, and many do not just go to Europe to work, but trying to move there permanently with their families. No accurate data, but analysts say that the total number of migrants could reach ten million.
"We have 17 million economically active population working in state enterprises, only seven million. That is, falls ten million people, says Ukrainian economist Alex Kush. — It turns out that labour migration was enormous. Permanent labour migration (when a person resides abroad at least nine months of the year) — about three million people. Pendulum (seasonal and odd jobs) — another four or five million as a minimum".
State statistics at the end of last year estimated the population of Ukraine at 41.9 million people. But in fact, the country has lived thirty-five million. And it's not pleasant foreign investors.
"It's one thing if the country's internal market — 50 million people, and another is if 40 million or 36 million — said the head of Association of suppliers of retail chains of Ukraine Oleksiy Doroshenko. — It is clear that there is a decline in consumption, especially that the welfare of the people is growing fast."
Exports to the EU in 2019 exceeded 25 billion dollars, more than Russia ever bought.
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