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Old 02-20-2014, 03:57 PM
 
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Or in Russia, that wonderful bastion of freedom and democracy.

You Russians love worshiping a tyrant and begging them for food and money. Ukrainians don't want that, look at Georgia, even now that the opposition is in power, they still have not become friendly with Russia. Those countries don't belong to Russia, enough is enough.

The USSR is dead.
How true!

Look at this circus of Putin coming to power again and again and again and him and Medvedev changing places!

What a joke!
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Old 02-20-2014, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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If that happened in the U.S., would have already entered the tanks and all shot.
Nope. We have to many guns in the hands of the people...Plus a large portion of the US military will refuse to fire on their own people..
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Old 02-20-2014, 04:09 PM
 
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Nope. We have to many guns in the hands of the people...Plus a large portion of the US military will refuse to fire on their own people..
No, the US Civil War shows that US troops will use force to ensure the US stays together, and that all threats to the US gov will be put down.

Numerous events before and after show the US is more than willing to US force and extreme legal means to put down even the simplest of protests, ranging from the Whiskey Rebellion, the 1999 Seattle WTO protests, to the three year imprisonment of Megan Rice.
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Old 02-20-2014, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Some Airport Transit Zone
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It's so sad to see how many people are still sleeping in their philistine life. (:
More sadly, these people even don't realize they are heavily brainwashed and like a zombie keep repeating anti-russian mantras from the cold war era.
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Old 02-20-2014, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Some Airport Transit Zone
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the U.S is very reluctant in Ukraine, unlike 2004 where the Bush administration actively encouraged him.
Really? Then explain us please what Nuland and McCain did on the "maidan"?
Almost all world news agencies (probably except for CNN, NBS, Fox etc.) reported that they came in Ukraine, at least, 2 times and have privately met with so called leaders of opposition.
And what about the infamous phone conversation with "f-ck the EU"?
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Old 02-20-2014, 11:36 PM
 
Location: Hong Kong / Vienna
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More sadly, these people even don't realize they are heavily brainwashed and like a zombie keep repeating anti-russian mantras from the cold war era.
Oh come on... Because the Russians are so much better. Just compare a random western web page with rt.com...
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Old 02-20-2014, 11:51 PM
 
Location: Some Airport Transit Zone
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Oh come on... Because the Russians are so much better. Just compare a random western web page with rt.com...
As I live in the USA, I am doing this all the time. And I see the difference.
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Old 02-20-2014, 11:59 PM
 
Location: Hong Kong / Vienna
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As I live in the USA, I am doing this all the time. And I see the difference.
So, what's your point then? Russian web pages only show gun carrying protestors, US pages show sniping policemen.
Both sides are only presenting half the truth. That's why I'm trying to avoid both at the moment...
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Old 02-21-2014, 01:11 AM
 
Location: Some Airport Transit Zone
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So, what's your point then? Russian web pages only show gun carrying protestors, US pages show sniping policemen.
Both sides are only presenting half the truth. That's why I'm trying to avoid both at the moment...
First of all, try to understand who is a real leader of the protesters. Who is a real commander there.
This is an ultra-right nazi and anti-semite Dmitry Yarush. He controls the most radical gang of the professional commandos there. Klichko, Yatsenyuk and Tyagnibok are nothing serious. In fact, they can control nobody of the different uncoordinated groups of the maidan oppositioners.
But Yarush is the real deal now and he is doing the "Revolution". Klichko, Yatsenyuk and Tyagnibok just ask him what they should do (after advices from the EU).
Secondly, try to understand what is a real aim of Yarush. I give you a hint - it's not democracy, liberty etc. for Ukraine. They have a very fascist agenda. Just think for a minute, what can be happen if this son of satan will seize an ukranian nuclear power plant in this chaos and anarchy?
I think all idiots in Brussels who are supporting the "protesters" (armed gangsters) and condemning Ukrainian Authority for "the violence" would sober up immediately. But it would be too late.
(This is just a possible scenario).
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Old 02-21-2014, 01:40 AM
 
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I don't read the RT, (meh) and Russian sites on google -all news that I see seem to be outdated/lagging behind...
American sources are very one-sided, so it's difficult to get the bigger picture of what's going on in the rest of the country ( other than Kiev and Lvov) so...
The best way for me to get a more objective picture I guess was to go on sites of different Ukrainian cities and to read the reader's comments - what people living there think about the whole situation.
Indeed while reading the sites somewhere in Ternopol ( Western part of Ukraine) and reading sites of Donezk ( Eastern part) I could see that the mood/attitude are quite different.
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