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Old 03-20-2014, 11:45 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Speaking of Brazil, it is an emerging power in the world and became member of G20, BRICS, and first country in South America to host the Summer Olympics mainly because Brazil was able to hold on to its territory since its country was formed. Contrast with Gran Colombia and Central America which kept getting split up into tiny countries… they will never have a powerful presence globally. With huge land and resources as well as a population of 200 million, Brazil will soon eclipse Germany, the UK and France politically and economy if Germany, the UK and France don't form their United States. Then why do you criticize the EU but prefer Brazil?
Brazil doesn't have those imperialist tendencies, unlike Europe or the US. Actually, it has little weight globally and isn't even trying to have a powerful presence in the world. Why should they when they are not trying to dominate others or steal their stuff? Brazil is not a member of Nato, either.
Plus, Brazil is one country and culture. You can speak Portuguese from the northern to the southern tip of the country. São Paulo is not trying to force its way on Bahia for instance. Brazilians want to be one country, Europeans do not. Just look at soccer and you get what I mean. Europeans are proud of their individual countries, not of the EU.
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Old 03-20-2014, 03:43 PM
 
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Brazil doesn't have those imperialist tendencies, unlike Europe or the US. Actually, it has little weight globally and isn't even trying to have a powerful presence in the world. Why should they when they are not trying to dominate others or steal their stuff? Brazil is not a member of Nato, either.
Plus, Brazil is one country and culture. You can speak Portuguese from the northern to the southern tip of the country. São Paulo is not trying to force its way on Bahia for instance. Brazilians want to be one country, Europeans do not. Just look at soccer and you get what I mean. Europeans are proud of their individual countries, not of the EU.
People in India speak different languages… they even have a population more than twice of the EU.
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Old 03-20-2014, 03:46 PM
 
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We want a United States of Europe says top EU official - Telegraph
We want a United States of Europe says top EU official
Voters must decide for or against a United States of Europe during EU elections this spring, says vice president of the European Commission


A campaign for the European Union to become a "United States of Europe" will be the "best weapon against the Eurosceptics", one of Brussels' most senior officials has said.
Viviane Reding, vice president of the European Commission and the longest serving Brussels commissioner, has called for "a true political union" to be put on the agenda for EU elections this spring.
"We need to build a United States of Europe with the Commission as government and two chambers – the European Parliament and a "Senate" of Member States," she said.
Mrs Reding's vision, which is shared by many in the European institutions, would transform the EU into superstate relegating national governments and parliaments to a minor political role equivalent to that played by local councils in Britain.
Under her plan, the commission would have supremacy over governments and MEPs in the European Parliament would supersede the sovereignty of MPs in the House of Commons.

National leaders, meeting as the European Council, would be reduced to consultative, second chamber role similar to the House of Lords.

Senior EU figures, such as Mrs Reding, want the European elections in May to move beyond debates over eurozone austerity by embracing a grand vision of Europe.
"This debate is moving into the decisive phase now. In a little more than four months' time, citizens across Europe will be able to choose the Europe they want to live in," she said.
"There is a lot at stake. The outcome of these elections will shape Europe for the years to come. That is why voting at these elections is crucial.
This will be our best weapon against the Eurosceptics: to explain to our citizens that their vote really matters."
In the run up to the springtime pan-European vote, the EU is gearing up to mount an unprecedented campaign for the hearts and minds of voters.

Speaking in Athens, José Manuel Barroso, the commission president, signalled that the EU would use the centenary of World War One to warn that Euroscepticism, far-Right and populist anti-European parties could bring war back to Europe.
"No other political construction to date has proven to be a better way of organising life to lessen the barbarity in this world," he said.

"It is especially important to recall this as we will commemorate this year the start of the First World War. We must never take peace, democracy or freedom for granted. It is also especially important to remind this as in May the peoples of Europe will be called to participate in European elections."
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Old 03-20-2014, 04:03 PM
 
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I think North Americans don't get Europe. They think European nations are like North Dakota or Nebraska.
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Old 03-20-2014, 04:05 PM
 
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Brazil doesn't have those imperialist tendencies, unlike Europe or the US. Actually, it has little weight globally and isn't even trying to have a powerful presence in the world. Why should they when they are not trying to dominate others or steal their stuff? Brazil is not a member of Nato, either.
Plus, Brazil is one country and culture. You can speak Portuguese from the northern to the southern tip of the country. São Paulo is not trying to force its way on Bahia for instance. Brazilians want to be one country, Europeans do not. Just look at soccer and you get what I mean. Europeans are proud of their individual countries, not of the EU.
Well, they did have imperialistic tendencies within South America in the past. Even today Brazilian companies are ever more present in South American countries.

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Old 03-20-2014, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Pérouges
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.... Daywalk

For some reason your trying very hard to make a case for something that, while it may make sense to you, is overwhelmingly unwanted by vast swathes of the European populace. Whilst heads of the EU (no real surprise) and Pro-Euro politicians are abound with reasons why a European mega-state is a good idea we, (the population that would be required to approve for such a thing to become an actuality) have very, very little interest.

If I were you I wouldn't expect many of us to agree with you, while we may moan and complain about our countries they are in the end, ours. They belong to us and us to them. While our respective countries may well belong to the EU it isn't seen as all encompassing, it's something we're a part of, not something that's a part of us.

I really don't see you convincing many Europeans to change their views on this matter, I just don't see it happening.
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Old 03-20-2014, 04:52 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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People in India speak different languages… they even have a population more than twice of the EU.
Ever been to India? Tamils for instance totally dislike northern Indians and vice versa, Hindus totally dislike Muslims and vice versa, it is a mess...
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Old 03-20-2014, 05:04 PM
 
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We want a United States of Europe says top EU official - Telegraph
We want a United States of Europe says top EU official
Voters must decide for or against a United States of Europe during EU elections this spring, says vice president of the European Commission


A campaign for the European Union to become a "United States of Europe" will be the "best weapon against the Eurosceptics", one of Brussels' most senior officials has said.
Viviane Reding, vice president of the European Commission and the longest serving Brussels commissioner, has called for "a true political union" to be put on the agenda for EU elections this spring.
"We need to build a United States of Europe with the Commission as government and two chambers – the European Parliament and a "Senate" of Member States," she said.
Mrs Reding's vision, which is shared by many in the European institutions, would transform the EU into superstate relegating national governments and parliaments to a minor political role equivalent to that played by local councils in Britain.
Under her plan, the commission would have supremacy over governments and MEPs in the European Parliament would supersede the sovereignty of MPs in the House of Commons.

National leaders, meeting as the European Council, would be reduced to consultative, second chamber role similar to the House of Lords.

Senior EU figures, such as Mrs Reding, want the European elections in May to move beyond debates over eurozone austerity by embracing a grand vision of Europe.
"This debate is moving into the decisive phase now. In a little more than four months' time, citizens across Europe will be able to choose the Europe they want to live in," she said.
"There is a lot at stake. The outcome of these elections will shape Europe for the years to come. That is why voting at these elections is crucial.
This will be our best weapon against the Eurosceptics: to explain to our citizens that their vote really matters."
In the run up to the springtime pan-European vote, the EU is gearing up to mount an unprecedented campaign for the hearts and minds of voters.

Speaking in Athens, José Manuel Barroso, the commission president, signalled that the EU would use the centenary of World War One to warn that Euroscepticism, far-Right and populist anti-European parties could bring war back to Europe.
"No other political construction to date has proven to be a better way of organising life to lessen the barbarity in this world," he said.

"It is especially important to recall this as we will commemorate this year the start of the First World War. We must never take peace, democracy or freedom for granted. It is also especially important to remind this as in May the peoples of Europe will be called to participate in European elections."
Barroso is Merkel's puppet. Everyone knows he was only selected as the head of the EU commission because he is a moron.
The problem with Europe is that a minority is trying to force that EU vision on everyone. And it is being done gradually step by step, election by election, hoping people won't notice and thus not vote for radical anti-EU parties. Unfortunately, there are several such parties so that the no votes don't achieve anything.
There is also an organizational problem: with power and responsibility split in some diffuse way between Brussels and national governments, nobody really knows where to turn to, where to create pressure. The entire EU is complex and little transparent, normal people and their wishes are systematically undermined.
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Old 03-20-2014, 05:09 PM
 
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Well, they did have imperialistic tendencies within South America in the past. Even today Brazilian companies are ever more present in South American countries.
No country in SA will give up any of its national power and independence because of Brazil. There is no Brazilian imperialism. There are some bigger Brazilian (and Argentinian, and Venezuelan, and Colombian, etc.) companies, but that is not imperialism. All the countries are independent and they all have their own currencies and everything.
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Old 03-20-2014, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Do you think Switzerland will ever join?

Complete European Union makes no more sense than Yugoslavian Union did, and we all saw the effects of that when it wore out its welcome.
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