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Old 07-11-2020, 12:24 PM
 
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Old 07-11-2020, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Seattle WA, USA
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Zimogore.

What's this all about? That's a lot of people coming out to support this guy.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4safHHCqY0
I haven't delved into the story much but from what I heard long story short is he stopped paying tribute to the people that be back in Moscow.
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Old 07-11-2020, 12:48 PM
 
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Zimogore.

What's this all about? That's a lot of people coming out to support this guy.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4safHHCqY0
How do they do they expect to have freedom when they keep electing same guy, over and over again ?
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Old 07-11-2020, 12:58 PM
 
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Zimogore.

What's this all about? That's a lot of people coming out to support this guy.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4safHHCqY0

Here Scrat.

This is the person they rally for ( and why) in Khabarovsk ( Russian Far East.)


Sergey Furgal


( What's killing me, is that he is a member of the LDPR party)))
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Old 07-11-2020, 02:33 PM
 
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OK, after zooming in and listening to yesterday's *fiery* speech of Zhirinovsky ( leader of the LDPR) in the parliament AND what interviewed people at the protest are saying, I add 2+2 and figuring out more or less what's going on. ( They talked about the arrest of Furgal on "60 minutes" before, but I didn't pay attention of course. )
Sooo...
The way I understand Zhirinovsky, this is basically a "business conflict" between the *business people* sitting in Kremlin ( щк tied directly to the "United Russia" ( and Putin,) and local authorities in Khabarovsk region.

During the gubernatorial election of 2018,

I assume that United Russia was vouching for V. Shport ( from their party,) but Furgal has won instead, which interfered with *business interests* of those tied to United Russia.

( Zhirinovsky in his speech is mentioning certain successful enterprise in the region, that *someone* from Moscow wanted for his deals with the Chinese, and got his wish granted.)
So it looks like whatever Sergey Furgal was doing in the region, was not sitting very well with "kremlin Inc," and they decided to remove him, accusing him of some ties to "ordered assassinations" back in 2004/2005.

Which, in fact, might be true.

The problem is, judging by what the locals are saying, he was a very popular governor, doing a lot for the region, and ( what it looks like) allocating the funds for the poor.

Therefore they ( and Zhirinovsky in the parliament) are asking the same question; he was in the official government position already for long time, but you ( justice system) never brought the charges against him.

So why all of a sudden do it now, fifteen years later, when he is a successful governor of Khabarlovsk region, supported by its population?

Which is a reasonable question.



This is Zhirinovsky's speech in Duma yesterday



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and this is Sergey Furgal during the meeting with his subordinates in Khabarovsk, where he is pointing to them that they can't serve children different menu in schools, depending on whether their parents can pay for it or not. ( This kind of issues usually get HUGE resonance in Russians, because they are the TRUE AND ORIGINAL socialists, unlike Americans that vote for the Dem. Party.)


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Old 07-11-2020, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Seattle WA, USA
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How do they do they expect to have freedom when they keep electing same guy, over and over again ?
Except Khabarovsk Krai is not a strong hold for Putin and his United Russia Party.

In 2018 presidential election Putin only got 65% of the vote which was one of the lowest results for Putin. In the same year was the gubernatorial elections and “Putin’s” candidate (Shport) only got 28% while this guy (Frugal) who just got arrested got 70% of the vote. And right now in the Duma of Khabarovsk Krai United Russia (Putins’s Party) only holds 2 seats while LDPR (Party that Frugal is part of) holds 28 seats of the 36. United Russia holds no power in Khabarovsk, and the people know that Putin is going to shove one of his goons down their throats which is why they out protesting to send a message that Moscow and their goons are not welcome.
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Old 07-11-2020, 03:28 PM
 
Location: SE UK
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Hey, you wrote that the mentality of Russians was stuck in 1950. I only doubted that it was possible to evaluate it.

I will try to watch this movie, but first I want to prepare a music post.
Well their attitude to Reggie's race, gay people, male female relationships reminded me of his people here thought in the 1950's, so? Why do you have a problem with this? Do you disagree?
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Old 07-11-2020, 04:25 PM
 
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Well their attitude to Reggie's race, gay people, male female relationships reminded me of his people here thought in the 1950's, so? Why do you have a problem with this? Do you disagree?

Oh boy...
Easthome, I first wanted to ask you - why exactly the 50ies? Was it any different in the 40ies, or in the 30ies in this respect ( where you are)?

And then I remembered that the 50ies were the last period, after which things started changing in this respect in the bourgeois societies - after that came the 60ies and the 70ies with already known agenda, where "women's rights" are tightly tied with the "gays rights" and "minority rights."

But that's in the Anglo-world, however in Russia things were completely, completely different.
So before you start torturing poor Maxim (who might not be all that aware of the major differences,) with these kind of questions, let me explain to you couple of things, why Russians can't even relate to your statements.
To begin with - Russian women were already emancipated long before women in your society were, and not in a fake way as it is in the Anglo-world - far away from it.

The emancipation fell on the heads of Russian women in the beginning of the previous century whether they liked it or not. And it fell on them hard - with construction sites of the Soviet "five year plans," where they had to work side by side with men, digging the ditches and stacking up the bricks, with the guns they had to carry through the WWII, while in the forests of the guerilla war, or while flying the bomber planes behind the enemies front lines.

And they were doing that NOT because they were looking for "promotions and better pay" as it is in America, but because it was a matter of life and death FOR REAL.
And if they were not fighting on front lines, they were driving trains under constant shelling, patrolling the streets of the bombed cities at night helping the wounded, or working three shifts at the factories, producing weapons. ( NOT a matter of choice yet again.) All while still raising children alone minding you, putting the bread on their table, or downright risking their lives for that at any moment, while being under the German occupation.

Do you understand now, why your question about the 50ies ( and what/how Russians felt about them) is completely irrelevant?

Same goes to "race" - Russians simply didn't HAVE Blacks ( or people of color colonized or imported from elsewhere throughout their history.)
Hence - no relation to this issue either.

So this leaves us with one, and one thing only - that is gay people and the attitude towards them, but that's a whole different story, that you can't put it in the same context of "male-female relationship" or racial issues, as it is in the Anglo-world.

So don't torture poor Maxim for nothing - he won't be a big help to you here.

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Old 07-11-2020, 07:11 PM
 
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How do they do they expect to have freedom when they keep electing same guy, over and over again ?
This is a clear indicator of someone who simply doesn't understand.

Before you accuse someone of having a dirty home you really should take a look at your own first.

I'm an American. Born and bred. I am not free. I live in a gilded cage.
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Old 07-11-2020, 07:30 PM
 
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I haven't delved into the story much but from what I heard long story short is he stopped paying tribute to the people that be back in Moscow.
All politicians are reptiles, that includes lawyers and businessmen.

If all those people are on the street then Putin and company had better take a close look.
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