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Old 10-31-2014, 05:39 AM
 
Location: Taipei
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Putin said he wanted it back in Russian control.
Really? When?
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Old 10-31-2014, 05:58 AM
 
Location: Sweden
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They all have different languages for a start. Finnish is very different to the others. It would not work. Norway has more of a relationship with the UK rather than Finland.

Economies or defence force mergers. The economies of all the Nordics is very good. There is no need to merge form that point. Defence? Only Finland is really threatened in some way. Putin said he wanted it back in Russian control.
Language will not be a barrier. Look at countries such as Switzerland and Belgium for example. Only the Finns will struggle understanding Swedish, Danish and Norwegian but the other 3 will be able to cope.

And where did you get your last point from? Even more reason for us to unite, although I cannot see Russia regain Finland at all.
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Old 10-31-2014, 06:14 AM
 
Location: London
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Language will not be a barrier. Look at countries such as Switzerland and Belgium for example.
Belgium is highly split due to language. I am surprised it has remained a country. They had language riots. The only way Scandinavia can work is have a neutral language as the official language like English. That was the case in India and it worked.
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And where did you get your last point from? Even more reason for us to unite, although I cannot see Russia regain Finland at all.
Putin about 8 months ago stated after seizing the Crimea, that the Bolsheviks should never have let Finland go. He also criticised letting go of the Baltic states, Belorussia and Ukraine. He wants a north-south line from the western Finish coast down skirting the eastern Polish border to Romania. All east of it in Russian control. That threat is always there.
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Old 10-31-2014, 06:20 AM
 
Location: Taipei
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Language will not be a barrier. Look at countries such as Switzerland and Belgium for example. Only the Finns will struggle understanding Swedish, Danish and Norwegian but the other 3 will be able to cope.
It's not about the language.
Someone mentioned that the idea of an unified Scandinavia does have its market, but I'd imagine those who are against the idea would be very loud, or even radical.

Catalonia has been with Spain for ages but the Catalans still don't like Madrid; Scotland has been with England for centuries but there were still almost half of the Scots in favor of independence; We speak Mandarin, but the idea of being part of China is absolutely disgusting to most of the Taiwanese. There are tons of similar examples, I don't see how the Nordic nations are any different.
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Old 10-31-2014, 06:24 AM
 
Location: Taipei
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Putin about 8 months ago stated after seizing the Crimea, that the Bolsheviks should never have let Finland go. He also criticised letting go of the Baltic states, Belorussia and Ukraine. He wants a north-south line from the western Finish coast down skirting the eastern Polish border to Romania. All east of it in Russian control. That threat is always there.
Is there a source? I've only read an "adviser" saying that Putin wanted Finland, Belarus, and the Baltic States, but nobody really took his words seriously.
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Old 10-31-2014, 07:41 AM
 
Location: Finland
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Would a unified Scandinavia be as economically powerful as one rather than split. Being split collectively may give a greater economy. The likes of Finland would gain in economic security as they are heavily dependent on one industry, pulp. Finland had over 25% unemployed about 20 years ago when the bottom fell out of the pulp market.
The ICT sector is the largest in export. Pulp is just 2% of the exports, similar to cruise ships:
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Pretty sure that it wouldn't work out. For a case study of a country with several national identities refer to the rise and fall of Austria-Hungary.
A different time and world. Nationalism would be a problem, but 40% of the citizens look at the idea quite favourably.

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Is there a source? I've only read an "adviser" saying that Putin wanted Finland, Belarus, and the Baltic States, but nobody really took his words seriously.
I heard that the borders of the Russian Empire should be re-established, and it was some adviser who told it, not Putin. Putin himself or any other governmental person hasn't threatened Finland directly.
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Old 10-31-2014, 09:28 AM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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Would a unified Scandinavia be as economically powerful as one rather than split. Being split collectively may give a greater economy. The likes of Finland would gain in economic security as they are heavily dependent on one industry, pulp. Finland had over 25% unemployed about 20 years ago when the bottom fell out of the pulp market.

The EU will make any such union irrelevant. If the EU has a combined defence force we then have a lose United States of Europe.
Well right now, membership to the EU is voluntary and I don't think it matter if Scandinavia joins as one country or a several.

If the EU does get a combined military, yeah you would basically have one confederate nation made up of sovereign states. Which incidentally was the original idea for the USA but we went the federal route instead.
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Old 10-31-2014, 09:32 AM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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Language will not be a barrier. Look at countries such as Switzerland and Belgium for example. Only the Finns will struggle understanding Swedish, Danish and Norwegian but the other 3 will be able to cope.

And where did you get your last point from? Even more reason for us to unite, although I cannot see Russia regain Finland at all.
Don't most Finns know Swedish anyway? And Swedish, Norwegian and Danish are essentially the same language anyway, especially the former two.
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Old 10-31-2014, 09:33 AM
 
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Belgium is highly split due to language. I am surprised it has remained a country. They had language riots. The only way Scandinavia can work is have a neutral language as the official language like English. That was the case in India and it worked.

Putin about 8 months ago stated after seizing the Crimea, that the Bolsheviks should never have let Finland go. He also criticised letting go of the Baltic states, Belorussia and Ukraine. He wants a north-south line from the western Finish coast down skirting the eastern Polish border to Romania. All east of it in Russian control. That threat is always there.
Sounds like he wants almost the same borders the Soviet Union had with a few modifications.
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Old 10-31-2014, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Finland
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Don't most Finns know Swedish anyway? And Swedish, Norwegian and Danish are essentially the same language anyway, especially the former two.
In 2006 65% of the population said that they understand and speak at least elementary Swedish.



Englanti = English, Ruotsi = Swedish, Saksa = German, Ranska = French, Venäjä = Russian, Espanja = Spanish.
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