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Old 11-04-2014, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Macao
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You may take a look at Ello's channel on youtube...it has thousands of Russian songs, most are unimpressing but a few seem cool.

also...here's one bulgarian song i like:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJkZG-VzNug
I like that Arabic/Indian sound to it.

But, the reality is I don't like that commercial overtone to it. I don't like any music that sounds over-produced and commercialized.

My personal wish is that we could go back to another time era where we had song writers and instruments that people played with their own hands, that were filled were character and an occasional flaw, and on and on.

All of the over-produced, over-commercial music throughout the world annoys me. However, I like that Bulgarian music brings in that exotic Indian/Arabic sound...but i think I'd rather see a live band bring it in a very unpolished way, a whole lot better.
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Old 11-04-2014, 06:00 PM
 
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Here are other examples...not just from the balkans:.

One russian song that can pass as a Russian hiphop (though given how darkish the singers look I won't be surprised if that's tatar/georgian or something...):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7Aq...Xjf0f9xtD_YHzg
Yeah, the 'darker' complexion of the singers was interesting, for Russian.

It's not my style of music, but I kind of enjoyed it.

What I don't like though, is it's hard to take serious, when everyone's pretending to be a gangster like an American rap video.

When I watch stuff like that, no wonder so many people hate that American stuff permeates every aspect of other cultures. Personally, I'd like to see something that reflects the reality that is actually there. Not something that reflects the fact that those musicians watch way too many american music videos.
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Old 11-04-2014, 06:03 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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I am no expert in Romanian music...but it's funny as the country shares such a long border with bulgaria but "culturally" both countries have small overlap. As Natalya here correctly pointed - bulgarian music sounds more like Serbian.

Romanians however started producing mostly cheap Disco songs in romanian during the 90s, then they switched to more expensive videos of scantily clad women and their videos are these days mostly Pop in English. I guess it's European Union influence or something...
Well, I was referring to their folk music. It's mostly gypsy music, a lot of it from Transylvania, so it's partly Hungarian. Most of the performers of it are gypsies.
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Old 11-04-2014, 06:12 PM
 
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Yeah, the 'darker' complexion of the singers was interesting, for Russian.

It's not my style of music, but I kind of enjoyed it.

What I don't like though, is it's hard to take serious, when everyone's pretending to be a gangster like an American rap video.
true - any hiphop that isn't american seems lame. Consider French rap as an example...but the melody of said video is nice, hence my example.

Here's another bulgarian song that's neither gypsy nor "chalga", the singer though is such a bimbo - she makes american pornstars look catholic and humble .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZqMJq6ixRY
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Old 11-04-2014, 06:53 PM
 
Location: Romania
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Well, I was referring to their folk music. It's mostly gypsy music, a lot of it from Transylvania, so it's partly Hungarian. Most of the performers of it are gypsies.
Sorry if I misunderstand you, but are you trying to say most Romanian folk music is made by Roma people?


Romanian folk music was created by anonymous Romanian peasants over centuries and is sung by Romanians. Here is a collection of Romanian folk songs I and other members created on another forum (it contains also clips with Turkish music from Dobruja and Hungarian songs from Transylvania):

Traditional music of Romania - Skyscrapercity.com




Like for example this song from Muntenia (the music of each province is completely different, with influences of neighbrour countries or interior ethnic minorities):














Roma people sing their two genres, manele and traditional Roma music. Manele is a kitschy combination of Arabic / Turkish with disco, I won't post a video as I don't want to promote the genre but you can find tons on Youtube.



Traditional Roma music is the real, old Roma music, as one can see in the Moldavian movie "Queen of the Gipsies":


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Old 11-04-2014, 07:12 PM
 
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Yeah I know not many people outside the balkans like "chalga" (oriental sounds + slavic lyrics) but to each their own!

Here are other examples...not just from the balkans:.

One russian song that can pass as a Russian hiphop (though given how darkish the singers look I won't be surprised if that's tatar/georgian or something...):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7Aq...Xjf0f9xtD_YHzg
Armenians in this case.
And I think that Russians would consider this a "rap," actually.

Same as here;


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FhqUsbhYIY
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Old 11-04-2014, 07:41 PM
 
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Roma people sing their two genres, manele and traditional Roma music. Manele is a kitschy combination of Arabic / Turkish with disco, I won't post a video as I don't want to promote the genre but you can find tons on Youtube.



Traditional Roma music is the real, old Roma music, as one can see in the Moldavian movie "Queen of the Gipsies":

This is not "Moldavian movie "Queen of the Gipsies."
This is an old Soviet movie "Gypsy camp goes to heaven," (producer Emil Lotyanu,) based on stories of Maxim Gorky.
I vaguely remember it since my childhood.

Queen of the Gypsies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Gypsi music was always a part of Russian music scene, including Gypsy theater "Romеn." Mostly, I think, it came from Bessarabia starting from Tzarist times.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIqc2OQ2qm0
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Old 11-04-2014, 07:56 PM
 
Location: Romania
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This is not "Moldavian movie "Queen of the Gipsies."
This is an old Soviet movie "Gypsy camp goes to heaven," (producer Emil Lotyanu,) based on stories of Maxim Gorky.
I vaguely remember it since my childhood.

Queen of the Gypsies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The movie was made in 1975 in the former soviet republic of Moldavia, by the Romanian director Emil Loteanu, with Romanian leading actors and in Russian language, following vaguely some stories by Russian writer Maxim Gorky. The Romanian name is Șatra ("Roma Camp"), in Russian and English received different names.






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Gypsi music was always a part of Russian music scene, including Gypsy theater "Romеn." Mostly, I think, it came from Bessarabia starting from Tzarist times.
Many or most Roma groups in Europe (except the Balkans) came from the former Romanian prinipalities (Wallachia, Moldavia and Transylvania):





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History..._Romani_people
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Old 11-04-2014, 08:20 PM
 
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The movie was made in 1975 in the former soviet republic of Moldavia, by the Romanian director Emil Loteanu, with Romanian leading actors and in Russian language, following vaguely some stories by Russian writer Maxim Gorky. The Romanian name is Șatra ("Roma Camp"), in Russian and English received different names.
No, it was produced by Mosfilm, not "Moldavia,"
Mosfilm - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
and Emil Loteanu lived (since his early life) and studied in Moscow.
Emil Loteanu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So as I've said it's an old Soviet movie, although they could have filmed it in Moldavia and invite acters from that particular republic.
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Old 11-04-2014, 11:06 PM
 
Location: Romania
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The movie was made at the initiative and after the concept of Emil Loteanu, who until that year (1975) worked with Moldova Film, and only on the ocassion of this film started working with Mosfilm. The action also takes place in Bessarabia.
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