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With modern firepower. And drugs, haha! The Mongols won with bows and arrows.
That's true, but hey, use technology in your advance. The Mongols' bows and body armour were state of the art things back then, far superior to Western clumsy knights with steel plate.
The theme of the empires were also very different. Britain established colonies and dominions, while the Mongols were nomads who roamed from area the area killing and destroying everything in their path. So the Mongol Empire was merely an area which submitted and paid tribute, and they wouldn't bother you as long as you paid.
By the times Mongols arrived to Europe, during the times of Attila or Etzel in Germanic, most of his men were more Slav and Germanic that anything else. Just like many American Indians that are white.
Attila, as described by Priscus, does look like a Turk more than a mongol.
Plus the fact that Huns that arrived in Europe were Turkic, not as the huns living in Mongolia that are Mongolians.
Magyars are not related to Huns, but to Finnish and Lapos.
Attila and Army was more European than anything else, the official languages of the army was Latin, Germaninc and Hun. Attila's culture was western.
By the times Mongols arrived to Europe, during the times of Attila or Etzel in Germanic, most of his men were more Slav and Germanic that anything else. Just like many American Indians that are white.
I was prepared to reply and tell you're wrong but checked Wikipedia and found that Huns apparently spoke a satem language related to Dacian and Slavic. Possibly, they were the Dacians, who disappear sudden from literary sources just before the apparition of Huns.
Re: 'Magyars related to Finnish and Lapos...no...Hungarians are related to their neighboring countries while Finns are related to theirs'..
You know as far as 'relating' the sources I am aware about note that when it comes to the Finns the relationship is primarily along language namely the Finno-Ugric group. At one time I usually thought I had a little 'Finn' in me but I don't think that's the case. Magyars are supposedly of the Ugrian people's but I believe historians still aren't sure if they came from east or west of the Urals...that is Europe or Asia.
That whole Carpathian basin was certainly a mish mosh of people's constantly going through on to someplace else through those earlier epochs. With descriptions and labels put on peoples known and unknown it's amazing that any locked-down history gets done on this aspect. Anyway anybody who studies all this needs to be versed in many disciplines encompassing a range of fields. The history is extremely complicated.
i don't get it, even if they're mongols then so what? genchis khan, who is perhaps the best known mongol had the biggest empire in history (despite what english claim that their empire was 1 km bigger or so... .
The problem was that the guy was calling others "Asian" and "Mongoloid".
In other order of ideas, because I made some posts that may make someone think that I'm the average Hungarian-hater Romanian, I want to say that I am not. I'm in the favor of autonomy of Szekely Land (the Hungarian enclave in the middle of Romania) and even for the unification of Romania and Hungary in a single state, that will allow both ethnicities to enjoy the common heritage of Transylvania.
I do not consider the Romanians "autochthonous" and the Hungarians "migratory", as often Romanians take pride to describe the two nations. I'm sure that genetic tests would show both populations have identical genetic background in similar areas and only the language differs, because overtime individuals from the two groups interrmaried and assimilated into the opposite group, like it happens everywhere in the world where two or more ethnicities cohexist.
I quite liked it, I loved the food, the fact that I AM IN EUROPE and not in some multicultural US style hole like london or paris that at times does not feel like Europe anymore.
I enjoyed the feeling overall
Interesting thread about Hungary and sports (Olympics). I had never thought of this subject before.
Hungary was one of my favorite countries in Europe I had visited. I thought the Hungarians were friendly and generally welcoming. Outside Budapest and its environs, there are not so many worthy tourist attractions within Hungary. Personally, I really enjoyed how exotic the Hungarian language was given that it's not Indo-European in origin unlike those of its neighbors.
I was prepared to reply and tell you're wrong but checked Wikipedia and found that Huns apparently spoke a satem language related to Dacian and Slavic. Possibly, they were the Dacians, who disappear sudden from literary sources just before the apparition of Huns.
When Romans, Aecio, Gala Pacidia, etc, visited Hunnish Camps they were very surprised because they all spoke Latin, and their culture was Latin, but he also mentioned that they spoke Germanic and Hunnish. They were surprised by the large number of Romans living the hunnish way.
Since Huns in Europe, that were Turkic, had been living as marrying Slavics and Germans, they were mostly European.
I think that Attilia was a Roman hostage, so he was raised like a Roman, I think. There's a description...flat nose, sallow skin, small eyes.
I don't know what happened to Huns, since they have not anything to do with Hungary and Magyars.
When Aecius and Ostrogiths defeated them, they returned to the east.
There are also tribes of barbarians that were turkics like huns, the avars, the alans, they migrated alongside with Germanics. Visigoths traveled with Alans.
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