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Holy sh*t girl, you're so full of anger, calm down.
I agree with some of your comments but overall I must say you're grossly overreacting.
Most immigrants DO integrate into the societies they choose to live in and most normal people don't exclude them for the single fact that they're immigrants. I'm an immigrant myself and I don't think I've ever faced that kind of discrimination or segregation you're talking about. Almost all of my friends (and they're numerous, definetely not just "some" as you suggest) are natives of this country I'm living in right now and I find it very easy to make friends and even find people who turn out to be "more than friends" (if you catch my drift) here.
I'm not sure where you live but to me it sounds like you live in some sort of bubble of ignorance and prejudice.
Thats what i was thinking. Ironically enough i thought she sounded very Italian
Personally as someone living in Stockholm but having spent a lot of time with Italians living both here and Italy (obviously), I can with ease say that Northern and Southern Europe are not worlds apart. Actually I think we are a lot more alike than some people might feel comfortable understanding.
I can agree. I haven't lived in Italy, but I've been there, and met Italians here in Finland. Immigrants, exchange students and one of my high-school mates was Finnish-Italian. No problem getting in tune at all, on the contrary, I've felt that Italians have been a bit shy. And isn't that a bit much coming from Northern Europe? Same with Spanish. My good friend's wife is Spanish, and never any cultural clashes, but more like laughing over a glass of wine or beer discussing the differences. I was at their wedding in Spain, and the biggest cultural difference was that they liked crayfish more that we Finns did.
Location: Near Tours, France about 47°10'N 0°25'E
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I don't think any of us Northern Europeans consider France Southern Europe.
Maybe but that a fact that France is not limited to its northernmost third where Paris is...
85% of france is further than than the line that cut continental Europe in two halfs.
I know that northern Europeans can't understand that France is way more in southern Europe than with northern Europe. Obviously in language, catholic derived-culture, messy attitudes, wine culture, etc but also in latitude. Compared with UK, Germany, italy and Spain the country that share most common latitude with France is Italy. 60% of France is located at similar latitudes as Italy. If france is not at all in southern Europe then most of Italy should not be either... Only places south of Rome should be maybe...
France reach the latitude of my region tuscany; I would say half of Tuscany.. So France starts at the latitude of Tuscany and northern marche. Northern Italy is till the latitude of Half France yes.
Milan is a bit northernmost than Bordeaux.
Florence is at the same latitude as Arles.
Spain reaches the southern part of my region only with galicia
I invite you Frenchuser to part expiate at my discussion on parallel here in Europe forum.
On particular your impression on culture, vegetation, climate changing with latitude in france
So..my definition of north en european is people who live above parallel 45.
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Location: Segovia, central Spain, 1230 m asl, Csb Mediterranean with strong continental influence, 40º43 N
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I can agree. I haven't lived in Italy, but I've been there, and met Italians here in Finland. Immigrants, exchange students and one of my high-school mates was Finnish-Italian. No problem getting in tune at all, on the contrary, I've felt that Italians have been a bit shy. And isn't that a bit much coming from Northern Europe? Same with Spanish. My good friend's wife is Spanish, and never any cultural clashes, but more like laughing over a glass of wine or beer discussing the differences. I was at their wedding in Spain, and the biggest cultural difference was that they liked crayfish more that we Finns did.
We Spaniards, and also French, Portuguese and Italian people tend to be shy and quiet with strange people, like people of central and north of Europe are.
I mean we aren't outgoing louder kinda people like for instance people of Central America or Africa are.
Maybe but that a fact that France is not limited to its northernmost third where Paris is...
85% of france is further than than the line that cut continental Europe in two halfs.
I know that northern Europeans can't understand that France is way more in southern Europe than with northern Europe. Obviously in language, catholic derived-culture, messy attitudes, wine culture, etc but also in latitude. Compared with UK, Germany, italy and Spain the country that share most common latitude with France is Italy. 60% of France is located at similar latitudes as Italy. If france is not at all in southern Europe then most of Italy should not be either... Only places south of Rome should be maybe...
We Spaniards, and also French, Portuguese and Italian people tend to be shy and quiet with strange people, like people of central and north of Europe are.
I mean we aren't outgoing louder kinda people like for instance people of Central America or Africa are.
That's quite natural, and we are the same. Perhaps that is one of the reasons why Northerners are depicted as very introvert and shy, as they just don't feel comfortable until you break the ice. And here in icyland it takes a bit longer to break it.
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That's quite natural, and we are the same. Perhaps that is one of the reasons why Northerners are depicted as very introvert and shy, as they just don't feel comfortable until you break the ice. And here in icyland it takes a bit longer to break it.
Well, maybe we southern Europeans are a bit louder and extrovert when talking to our relatives and friends, but, as I said before, we tend to be shy and introvert with strange people, like you northeners do.
Yes..talk I talk with every one.. In train if a sit next to an immigrant if he/she seems interested with me to start a conversation. I talk. I ve talked to Indians, North Africans, Albanians, senegaleses ecc.. I ve know what works they do.. And other things.
Integration is another think. I don't believe in integration with this mass inmigration here. I don t like the society is turning out in my country.
ahaha as expected your last sentence exposed you... all those things you said about people in your country discriminating immigrants in every single way of life are not facts at all, actually that's what YOU wish would happen.
I myself have several Italians friends that I met when attempting to learn Italian, two of them have actually invited to visit them in Rome and I was treated amazingly, made friends with their friends, explored Rome's nightlife and all with them, despite my broken Italian mind you. Oh yea, may I tell you that I'm not European nor 100% white skinned...
I get it that Immigrants that come from very unstable and culturally extremely different countries might generate immigrants that are unwilling to adapt to European standards and as such generate some kind of animosity among the native population of the country but not all immigrants are like that neither is open discrimination against immigrants the norm in any western-european country, italy included.
Such xenophobia is funny coming from an Italian, considering that Italy throughout its history has always been a country of migrants (you can find Italian Immigrants and its descendants all over Europe and America) and that's a trend that had only been reverted in recent years and surprise surprise it didn't last long as Italy is back to being an Immigrant-sending nation
Nobody said that Picardy, Normandy, Lorraine or Alsace were geographically in southern Europe. But look at a map, those northernmost french regions are certainly not in northern Europe neither. At best they are sort of "centralish" (Paris, wich is in the northernmost quarter part of the country is lined with Munich or Vienna) Those places are quite centralish in Europe. Northern Europe really begans north of Brussels, Cologne, Prague, etc. 100% of France is located south of northern Europe.
France lies geographically in both "centralish" Europe and southern Europe (I do not say "central Europe" because it would means also been central on a east-west scale.
France is not limited to the regions of the northern half. Where I live (which is in the northern half of France, way further north Bordeaux, I'm about at the northermost latitude of Italy (which is not At Bordeaux latitude but more Nantes,s one). Two of the 4 biggest Italian cities (included Milan, The biggest Italian urban area) are furthern north than Bordeaux...
If you have a very hard time to consider Poitou-Charentes, Auvergne or Rhone Alpes to be southern Europe, then logically you should also have very hard time to include all the areas of Italy located north of Tuscany to be southern European either (those areas include the most populated areas of Italy and many of the most emblematically Italian cities: Venice, Verona, Padova, Turin, Milan, Parma, Bologna, etc. Which are the major economic and also cultural heart of the country.
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Same with Spanish. My good friend's wife is Spanish, and never any cultural clashes, but more like laughing over a glass of wine or beer discussing the differences. I was at their wedding in Spain, and the biggest cultural difference was that they liked crayfish more that we Finns did.
