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Who cares? Jewish cohesiviness is based on fear, that's why rabbis are always seeing nazis and muslim radicals behind every rock all the time.
you act as though there's nothing to fear. Maybe you're one of those pacifist Euros who refuse to study Europe's genocidal past? And let's not forget bias attacks against Jews in several European countries in RECENT times, and rolling out the red carpet to islamic radicals
If they don't accept French or European culture, if they don't accept the culture emerged after countless revolutions and wars against religion and intolerance, against Inquisition and against the temporal power of the church, they are free to leave.
I France yields now, next they will do is jail gays, jews, harass christians and change radically the education system.
Plus, if you come into a country, you have to accept their laws, if not, you are free to leave.
It would be like immigrating to France and fight against their pâtes, confits de canard and fatty cheeses.
Those muslims should remember the biggest expulsion in European history, the expulsion of the Moorish in Spain in 1609, or the fate of the hughenots, or the fate of non juramented clergy during the revolution, and they should remember that jews fought for their right to live in France ..after the sad history of Vichy....quite sad.
Algerians should remember that France sheltered them, had they remained in Algerie they would have been killed as collaborators of the French, and I'm not talking about pied noirs, but abot Algerians.
LOL
still thinking you're dealing with RATIONAL people, eh?
I'm more concerned with the so-called moderate majority that will find other ways of undermining free society.
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No it's not a "tiny percentage" that would condemn the CH cover - a lot of people are offended by it obviously. There are even white, British people who think it's irresponsible. It IS however a tiny percentage that would be riled-up enough to murder innocent people in the streets. I myself might be offended by a something designed to do so, but I'm not going to kill people over it.
Europe's problems have been relatively recent. Mass exterminations and conquests of other peoples is something that goes back to the earliest record history and no doubt earlier. It's funny how all these post-colonialist, anti-racism types are so Euro-centric in their own understanding of history.
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you act as though there's nothing to fear. Maybe you're one of those pacifist Euros who refuse to study Europe's genocidal past? And let's not forget bias attacks against Jews in several European countries in RECENT times, and rolling out the red carpet to islamic radicals
re:." Those cartoons wounded them in what is most dear...
So mince my words : CH and its followers are irresponsible morons, who have poured more oil on a fire who already was burning -and burned their fingers so doing"
Let's throw out the argument that yes they are 'irresponsible morons' does it perhaps justify the murder of CH writers in French society presumably one that espouses democratic principles? Seems to be absurd. Democracy isn't so 'clean' that it won't offend anyone who takes umbrage. Democracies ideally work that through with assembly or discussion or ...... get this.... free and rational expression with the absence of FORCE. something jihadists use with impunity in free societies, societies by the way that shelter them and their anarchistic practices.
Travric: I don't think those Jihadist are religious or care the least for CH, there are many CH in Europe.
They are not Islamist, they probably know more about Hip Hop than about Islam. They are just nuts with lots of oil money.
They are no different from those guerrillas in Colombia propelled by cocaine, or in Afganistan propelled by Opium, etc.....not different from terrorist groups that were financed by the USSR...baader, red october, grapo, etc.
If you have limitless amounts of oil money and two or three nutcases that want to raise hell, they will raise hell.
They use 75 percent of Muslim youngsters and 25 percent are converts, they just use the dregs of society and they could well use anybody to inspire terror.
It can be said that it's a MEDIA product, since without the media nobody would know them.
What do the want? Power, money, terror. As to a religious war, no way.
The problem is not Islam. The problem is that freedom of speech in France have changed on permissiveness (there are no restrictions). When P. Riot in Russia insulted the Christian church, they were put to prison (The Western press said that this was because of the insults Putin, but it is not the main reason). This is the right action (put to prison). People should respect other people. In Russia, Christians is respected Muslims and Muslims is respected Christians. Tartars, Caucasians, Bashkirs, Kazakhs, etc. long live together with Christians and they are an important part of Russian culture. The problem is not Islam.
Of course Islam is a problem.
The muslims who live side by side with Russians for ages however are not ( for the most part.) With exception of the North Caucasus. You should not forget that when Russians were dealing with "problematic" muslims, they were simply killing them en mass or throwing them out of the country.
The French have to live side by side with that kind of muslims - the Arabs. And Arabs in this respect are not the same as Tatars or Tajiks.
It is in French nature to laugh at anything and everything ( they share it in a way with Brits) and they don't take life seriously the way Russians or Germans do.
So if they want to laugh at religion ( any religion) in their own country, they have every right to do that.
It's THEIR country and it's THEIR culture.
No, because "liberals" means "left" in the West, where Russian "liberals" are "neoliberals" in Western understanding, and it's the right force on political scale.
People who are in charge in Russia currently ( Putin and co) are really the ultra-right political force; they are all about money and corporations, no matter who says what. And these very people, since they unleashed the power of Church, (hoping that it will help them to gain support in the society,) have to tread very carefully now when it comes to Islam. If the Orthodoxy enjoys the power given to it by the state, Islam ( which is the second most common religion in Russia) will immediately rise as well. b
So obviously under these circumstances Russians will have to be careful about "not hurting feelings of muslims" in their country, while the French who do not particularly care about the power of their Catholic Church can mock whatever they wish. It's their right.
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And let's not forget bias attacks against Jews in several European countries in RECENT times, and rolling out the red carpet to islamic radicals 
