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Do you consider the Black sea as part of the mediterranean world. For instance most would agree that istanbul is mediterranean even though it's on the black sea. Also back in antiquity there was a huge greek and roman influence throughout the shores of the sea. So do you think this history ties it with the mediterranean, or do you think the slavic influence of the modern age negates this history and is completely different.
Slavic culture is very linked to the Greek. Religion, writing, trade relations. Russian state coat - is Byzantine state coat (Russian tsars were distant relatives of the Byzantine emperors).
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Geographically and climatically it is not mediterranean but rather subtropical humid or continental. Even Istanbul, in the part of the black sea that connect to the mediterranean has a sort of transitional climate rather than a pure mediteranean one.
Culturally speaking, that is another thing, which depends from what is called "mediterranean".
The whole area of the black sea obviously belongs more to the southern part of Europe+turquey rather than to the northern half of Europe.
The southern shores (including Bulgary and Romania parts) always had in its history a political and/or cultural belonging to the "mediterranean" civilisations and cultures (greek, roman, byzantine and ottoman)
The northern shores (Ukraine, Russia) are a different story, because even if they has some colonisations of greece and rome at different times, this has been punctual and minoritary. those regions belong to the eastern European cultural area
Well doesn't Yalta basicly have the same climate as Montpelier? And what about the adriatic sea, its northern coast is humid subtropical as well, does that mean that it's not mediterranean? also the cultures of spain, greece, syria, egypt, turkey and israel are all different as well, aren't they? is mediterranean turkey that vastly different culturally from the black sea coast of turkey?
Well doesn't Yalta basicly have the same climate as Montpelier? And what about the adriatic sea, its northern coast is humid subtropical as well, does that mean that it's not mediterranean? also the cultures of spain, greece, syria, egypt, turkey and israel are all different as well, aren't they? is mediterranean turkey that vastly different culturally from the black sea coast of turkey?
I haven't been to southern France, but looks like Montpellier has a mediterranean climate and Yalta - humid subtropical.
No, I don't consider it part of mediterranean world because it just feels too different to me...
The black sea coast of Turkey was historically populated by Greeks (pontic Greeks) until early 20th century
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Well doesn't Yalta basicly have the same climate as Montpelier?
Yalta has a microclimate that makes it warmer than all the rest of the northern shores of the black sea. That city has not a climate representative of the area of the whole black sea region.
That said, this microclimate is not even classified as mediteranean, but rather subtropical humid. It is much more similar to the climate of Lyon than a mediterranean climate as Montpellier's climate.
The winters in Ylata are significanlty colder than in mediterranean places, more similar to the winters found in Paris or Lyon than those of Montpellier. Outise of southern crimea, Other places of the northern black sea shores experience really colder winters than Yalta's. Not mediterranean at all.
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also the cultures of spain, greece, syria, egypt, turkey and israel are all different as well, aren't they? is mediterranean turkey that vastly different culturally from the black sea coast of turkey?
The cultural influences from cultures of mediterraenan origins are much stronger in the southern shores of the black sea than in the north. Culturally, northern black sea is Ukrainian and Russian, which are slavic cultures rooted in north-eastern Europe.
yalta's average winter low is 2.3 C with a record low of -12.2 C with 612mm of annual rainfall, while Montpellier has an average winter low of 2.8 C and a record low of -17.8 C and an annual rainfall of 629 mm. I don't know about you but those numbers are pretty close. But It is true yalta is a bit of an odd ball. And what about mediterranean odd balls such as Trieste Italy with annual rainfall of 1,003mm or tripoli with 333.9mm of annual rainfall. The mediterranean isn't as uniform as you make it out to be. So I understand that you consider the northern shores vastly different but what about the southern shores. how much does say Zonguldak, Sinop, Bafra differ from Izmir, Antalya, and Mersin on a cultural basis.
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yalta's average winter low is 2.3 C with a record low of -12.2 C with 612mm of annual rainfall, while Montpellier has an average winter low of 2.8 C and a record low of -17.8 C and an annual rainfall of 629 mm. I don't know about you but those numbers are pretty close.
Yalta has a average winter temp of 4c, with winter highs of 7c. That is percieved as mild compared to the cold winters to most of the rest of northern black sea coast, but still too cold compared to mediterranean climates. That is more similar to Lyon or Milan climates than mediterranean ones.
Also, the sunshine duration
Is relatively low compared to mediterranean climate places: 2100 hours in Yalta, compared to 2600 in montpellier or around 2800/2900 in Marseille or Toulon.
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But It is true yalta is a bit of an odd ball. And what about mediterranean odd balls such as Trieste Italy with annual rainfall of 1,003mm or tripoli with 333.9mm of annual rainfall. The mediterranean isn't as uniform as you make it out
Mediterranean climates can be quite diverse, but even then Yalta doesn't fall in that category, I'm not even speaking about the rest of the black sea region which is even more different to mediterranean climate than Yalta is.
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