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It's the French of Portuguese ancestry that consider themselves Portuguese even though they are not. They are completely French in mentality and culture. That is the problem with France, citizens born and raised in France with foreign ancestry are considered as foreginers which creates a lot of problems in society.
Excuse me but WTF no.
Please people stop with your nonsense.
No matter if you're French of whatever ancestry of "pure souche", you're still French and everyone see you like that. The exceptions will maybe be with North Africans and the like, but surely not with the Portuguese, Spanish, Italians, or what not.
Excuse me but WTF no.
Please people stop with your nonsense.
No matter if you're French of whatever ancestry of "pure souche", you're still French and everyone see you like that. The exceptions will maybe be with North Africans and the like, but surely not with the Portuguese, Spanish, Italians, or what not.
It's not nonsense. I lived in France and know the Portuguese community there and many of then consider themselves Portuguese even though they lived in France all their lives and don't know how to speak Portuguese. The same happens with North and Sub-saharan Africans. They are not considered French even though they were born and lived in France all their lives. Don't deny the truth because I know it well!
What Kind of attitude? The one that you can't admit the France is not as perfect as you think it is. It is a problem, go to the suburbs of Paris or Lyon and see what they have to say about this topic.
]It's the French of Portuguese ancestry that consider themselves Portuguese even though they are not. They are completely French in mentality and culture.[/b] That is the problem with France, citizens born and raised in France with foreign ancestry are considered as foreginers which creates a lot of problems in society.
Here in California where I live the descendants of Portuguese immigrants sometimes identify as Portuguese up to four generations even those with partial ancestry even though they don't speak the language and are culturally American often times they still retain elements of Portuguese cultural identity. People often underestimate the the distinctiveness of Portuguese culture and there is a certain cohesiveness that can't be replaced by American culture in my case, Anglo cultures are just not as warm not even close by a long shot.
What Kind of attitude? The one that you can't admit the France is not as perfect as you think it is. It is a problem, go to the suburbs of Paris or Lyon and see what they have to say about this topic.
Excuse me but WTF no.
Please people stop with your nonsense.
No matter if you're French of whatever ancestry of "pure souche", you're still French and everyone see you like that. The exceptions will maybe be with North Africans and the like, but surely not with the Portuguese, Spanish, Italians, or what not.
I can see you are an open-minded accepting person, and that is a good thing. Nonetheless overall as a society still views individuals with foreign sounding last names will never be regarded as full ethnic french people. Citizenship is a legal status more than anything else and that does not change this issue much.
Truth to be said I think the problem lies in the fact that the goal for these immigrants's offspring is to become full ethnic french people, something that will never happen because it is impossible even though they were born there and speak the language like natives. People will always identify them according to their country of origin.
Many people think that the only way to stop being labeled immigrants as outsiders is to deny your ancestor's culture and to embrace your country of residence's culture. But no matter how much they do people will always identify them according to their country of origin, and that creates a conflict.
Rather than using the "one size fit all" type of thinking, people should learn to accept and allow differences.
I can see you are an open-minded accepting person, and that is a good thing. Nonetheless overall as a society still views individuals with foreign sounding last names will never be regarded as full ethnic french people. Citizenship is a legal status more than anything else and that does not change this issue much.
Truth to be said I think the problem lies in the fact that the goal for these immigrants's offspring is to become full ethnic french people, something that will never happen because it is impossible even though they were born there and speak the language like natives. People will always identify them according to their country of origin.
Many people think that the only way to stop being labeled immigrants as outsiders is to deny your ancestor's culture and to embrace your country of residence's culture. But no matter how much they do people will always identify them according to their country of origin, and that creates a conflict.
Rather than using the "one size fit all" type of thinking, people should learn to accept and allow differences.
I have plenty of things to say, because I don't agree with you at all, sadly my English is bad and my vocabulary limited, so I'm going to repeat myself again, I don't agree with it all.
It's not nonsense. I lived in France and know the Portuguese community there and many of then consider themselves Portuguese even though they lived in France all their lives and don't know how to speak Portuguese. The same happens with North and Sub-saharan Africans. They are not considered French even though they were born and lived in France all their lives. Don't deny the truth because I know it well!
Well, I think you over generalize a little here. The Portuguese community in that country is now old enough to have people of 3rd and 4th generation. Nowadays many, specially among newer generations, are not full blood Portuguese and didn't receive a Portuguese education.
I agree with you there are many youngsters over there who think that wearing a football jersey, or put a flag in their cars are the only requirement to be Portuguese and do not bother otherwise to know about the country. However I was not one of those, I am a highly educated individual very knowledgeable about Portuguese language, History and literature.
Is Portuguese who wants to be and has an unconditional love the country and its culture.
Here in California where I live the descendants of Portuguese immigrants sometimes identify as Portuguese up to four generations even those with partial ancestry even though they don't speak the language and are culturally American often times they still retain elements of Portuguese cultural identity. People often underestimate the the distinctiveness of Portuguese culture and there is a certain cohesiveness that can't be replaced by American culture in my case, Anglo cultures are just not as warm not even close by a long shot.
Yes I noticed that the Portuguese community in California was able to maintain its identity in spite of being much older and smaller than the one in France for instance.
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