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I don't support the migration. That said, yes, they will almost certainly be better off in Germany, which is why they go to Germany. Germany will be worse off, of course, but the migrants will be better off.
People in Germany who refuse to work still get 400 Euros a month per person, plus basically free healthcare and virtually free housing. It's a social welfare state. Russia isn't.
Hahahah free housing in a ghetto suburb, sub par health care and 400 euros in Germany is like pocket change. I lived in Germany. You cannot support a family on 400 euros. There is virtually no difference between a migrant family living in Russia or Germany. Also, you think the Germans will happily give them jobs or careers? Think again. They will be discriminated from the moment they set foot in the country until the day they leave. There are barely enough jobs for German born citizens and legal immigrants there whats makes you think there are enough for hundred of thousands of migrants?
Russia's illegals are dirt-poor from former Soviet states. There are no illegal migrants from other parts of the world to Russia. And you claimed numbers are ridiculous and fabricated. So, no, there will be no migrants going to Russia, LOL.
Yes, there is no rule of law in Russia. Just because Putin kills people or jails them isn't evidence of rule of law. You need to look up the definition of "rule of law", then get back to us. Hint- it's about whether institutions are trusted and rational, not whether people are imprisoned.
They are still illegals, which counters your claim that Russia is not a destination for illegal immigration. They are mostly from former Soviet states because they border or are close Russia, just the same that the largest number of illegals in the US are from Mexico because guess what, Mexico borders the US.
Russia also has many illegal immigrants from China and Vietnam.
Rule of law - "That individuals, persons and government shall submit to, obey and be regulated by law, and not arbitrary action by an individual or a group of individuals."
Yep, Russia has that, but of course what is my knowledge of Russia compared to you? After all, me speaking the language, have lived there, visited there, studying the area as part of my college studies, and knowing plenty of people there, pales in comparison with your knowledge and experience.
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Originally Posted by veretina
Hahahah free housing in a ghetto suburb, sub par health care and 400 euros in Germany is like pocket change. I lived in Germany. You cannot support a family on 400 euros. There is virtually no difference between a migrant family living in Russia or Germany. Also, you think the Germans will happily give them jobs or careers? Think again. They will be discriminated from the moment they set foot in the country until the day they leave. There are barely enough jobs for German born citizens and legal immigrants there whats makes you think there are enough for hundred of thousands of migrants?
That free ghetto housing, 400 Euro a month, sub par healthcare, and "discrimination", is still far, far better than what they came from, and far more better than what Russia would ever provide them. If Germany will be so bad for them, they are free to return to where they came from, but we all know that will never happen.
The present German government is not concerned about providing jobs or ensuring quality of life is maintained at its present rate for its citizens.
For illegal immigrants, Russia is good for one thing, work. But that means the person has to actually go to work. Most of the illegals rather sit on their rear and collect the 400 Euros a month and free housing, than work every day and lived crammed together with other illegals. Also, Tajiks, Uzbeks, Kygyzs, etc have a good lock on the illegal market, they might take up actions against an influx of "outsiders" intruding on their home turf, as would the Russian population in general. As of now, the majority of illegals coming from central Asia are kind of seen as "one of their own" due to Soviet legacy, not so with people coming from Syria, Libya, etc.
But even with legal immigration, Russia has plenty of legal not immigrants, but workers there, millions from central Asia and Ukraine presently work in Russia.
For those of you who haven't seen this, it is a VERY telling mini-documentary by Syrian refugees about the real reason they come to Europe. Benefits, housing, and iPhones. They're not even trying to lie about it.
I really wish Angela Merkel would watch this ^ though it probably doesn't make any difference to her agenda. She's made it pretty clear she wants to import as many migrants as she can into Germany. What is it with the utter disregard the present generations have of the world the future generations have to inherit?
For those of you who haven't seen this, it is a VERY telling mini-documentary by Syrian refugees about the real reason they come to Europe. Benefits, housing, and iPhones. They're not even trying to lie about it.
And I don't mean to be starting anything here. I know the US has a problem with illegal immigration. But Latin Americans immigrating to the US is absolutely nothing like Islamic immigration into Europe. There's no such thing as radical Latin American terrorists. Latin Americans have been part of the cultural fabric of America for centuries and they integrate within a generation. Islamic immigrants to the US have to cross an ocean, which means they are thoroughly vetted by American government officials who are stationed abroad in those countries to investigate any Islamist/extremist ties they have. Normally, Muslim immigrants to the US are very well off and do integrate fairly well. Even the refugees are very well-vetted. However, many Islamic immigrants to Europe do not integrate, and in fact create their own cloistered communities where extremism festers like a malignant tumor. They have no problem biting the hand that feeds them.
21 August 2015 Thalys Attack - armed gunman attempts mass shooting on train from Paris to Amsterdam. Suspect was a 25 year old Moroccan immigrant.
26 June 15 - Islamist decapitates his former employer in Sainte-Quentin-Fallavier. Suspect was Fench citizen born to Algerian and Moroccan immigrants. He was born in Pontarlier, France, he would grow up to be a radicalized Islamist. Had spent a year in Syria previously.
3 February 15 - 3 military personnel guarding a Jewish center are attacked with a knife by Moussa Coulibaly, a Malian immigrant, in Nice.
7-9 January 15 - Charlie Hebdo attack - massacre of 12 people at Charlie Hebdo Magazine offices by two French Nationals born to Algerian immigrants in Paris who were later radicalized in Paris.
22 December 2014 - Man in the French city of Nantes ran over ten pedestrians shouting the Islamist expression "Allahu Akbar" (God is Great) in his white van at the city's Christmas Market, and then attempted suicide by stabbing himself. One person was pronounced clinically dead the following day.
21 December 2014 - A man in the French city of Dijon was arrested after running over 11 pedestrians in five areas of the city in the space of half an hour. Two were seriously injured. The man was shouting the Islamic expression "Allahu Akbar" (God is Great).
And that's just in the last 8 months. In one European country. Anyone who doesn't see what's happening has their head so far in the sand it's halfway to China.
"By organizing the chaos in Africa and the invasion in Europe, also making politicians ( Renzi, Merkel, Hollande ) to serve their cause, Americans apply the neo- Machiavellian principles of Leo Strauss and strategies of Wolfowitz.
The Austrian newspaper "Info- Direkt" shows that according to a leaked Viennese intelligence , smugglers of migrants crossing the Mediterranean to settle in Europe were paid by the Americans. We know that all these smugglers, such as agents of the Arab Spring , were equipped with the latest technology , and that Facebook, Twitter or Skype were a part of it.
And eschatology rhymes here with ideology.
Let's recall that it is on the order of NATO the war in Libya has been unleashed, its army destroyed, its leader executed, and organized chaos led to the arrival on our soil millions of sub-Saharans . Under the pretext of unfair and comical Arab Spring , the civil war in Syria was organized, which resulted in the death of a million Syrians and the departure of several million unfortunate people.
The Americans also killed or displaced four million Afghans in duration of fifteen years, and so do several million of displaced Iraqis should go somewhere, namely - here.
Finally we have to remember that during Sochi Olympics, Americans organized a coup in Ukraine, with CNN drones flying over Kiev and with dollars being stuffed in crowd's pockets. We still remember that no one knows where snipers came from, but they started firing at the crowd, in order to prove that this crowd was surely a victim of a "terrible tyrant."...
"....And for now , we must recognize with admiration that the American magicians still lead the the game - even though their steel production is one-eighth of that of China .
A year ago Obama criticized Russia for not letting in enough of immigrants. What a serious transgression ! The United States have admitted twenty million since 2000. They watch the borders of Russia and Ukraine, ready for a nuclear conflict because of it, yet they don't take seriously their own borders. A few local patriots who try to guard them are quickly blamed as racists and "conspiracy theorists ."
By organizing the chaos in Africa and the invasion in Europe, and making politicians ( Renzi, Merkel, Hollande )serve their purpose, Americans apply the neo- Machiavellian principles of Leo Strauss and strategies of Wolfowitz, former Trotskyists that want to rule by the chaos of the entities where they will have removed all human and historical reality , where the homelands becoming a base, a wasteland, a drugstore, a reception center."
This post cannot be serious. I know we Americans are the blame for everything but really??? What would make anyone think we are even capable of this kind of manipulation of world events? Our power and influence is not what you obviously think it is. Maybe Dr. Evil is sitting in a bunker under the White House making all this happen
In all seriousness this immigrant thing is a total disaster. I understand European nations trying to secure their border, and their reluctance to let these people stay. They will surly bring their Islamic culture, further changing the cultures of the European nations. I also get why they felt the need to leave Syria, Isis, Assad and all the other nutcase terrorist running around. Maybe it is time to consider a major NATO and allied Arab states military intervention in Syria to stabilize that embattled nation. The insanity there has to stop, the instability of Syria is wreaking havoc upon Iraq, threatening Jordan and Turkey and now mass immigration into Europe. Enough is enough, ISIS and Assad need to go.
it all started with the first "Crusades" in the 11th Century and has continued to this day. the West's involvement in Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan and its support for the rebels in Syria have a direct correlation with the "migrants" heading towards and into Europe, their main destinations are Germany and the UK.
it all started with the first "Crusades" in the 11th Century and has continued to this day. the West's involvement in Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan and its support for the rebels in Syria have a direct correlation with the "migrants" heading towards and into Europe, their main destinations are Germany and the UK.
Do you know the history of Near East? At the time the crusades took place, most of Near East was still majoritary Christian (and Jewish - the Israel) and not yet arabized (still speaking the native languages, Coptic, Aramaic etc) and the muslims were the ruling minority, a power of foreign origin - invaders from Arabia.
Ofcourse, invading a foreign country, no matter who has done, is a bad thing. But nothing justify evil, swindling, betrayal, as these "refugees" are doing today toward their benefactors.
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