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The Syrians are Caucasians. There is no race difference here. If you look at the face of those immigrants, there is hardly much difference from many Europeans, especially the southerners.
People like you are disgraceful. If someone else did a great thing, yes, it must be due to ulterior motivations! I am sure you apply that kind of philosophy in life.
Germany sees this as an opportunity to attract more people to replace its lowest birthrate in the world population.
This incredibly shortsighted philosophy of "let them in" has two dangerous consequences:
1) It encourages MORE AND MORE people to come and risk their lives;
2) It threatens the cultural heritage of the country in the first place. Maybe Merkel et al do not care that their hard fought culture of openness and liberty has been swapped for niqab wearing backwoods religiosity. But the rest of us should go visit Germany while we can, so we can talk about the way it "used to be!"
No, it's NOT noble. People like you are so caught up riding your moral high horses that you FORGET that people are drowning and dying every day to get to Europe and this "come here by any means" attitude just makes it worse. It encourages human trafficking, ISIS revenue (from smugglers for protection), death, etc. How about actually focusing on a plan to help the refugees where they are or finding safer ways of getting them there at the very least, instead of blaming the US and UK? (I notice Russia was conveniently left out of the discussion even though they're the main culprit.) And it's NOT the most vulnerable populations that are coming, those people don't have the means to leave. It's the strongest, most able-bodied men and women. Guess it's survival of the fittest.
Perfectly said, but that first requires the US/UK (and Russia too) to butt out of Middle East affairs entirely and stop supporting this and that anti-government forces for their own completely selfish political agenda, and let the Syrian people solve their own problems internally. However, they won't do that, will they? Why does the US always have to poke its nose in the Middle East? Why the hell can't it just got the hell out of there? People will be better off without its "help".
And honestly I have no moral high grounds. It saw people suffering and dying from wars and trying to leave. If your country were in a war, would you want to leave?? What's wrong with "leave by any means" attitude? it is human nature. It is easy for you to speak from your air conditioned room that this is NOT the solution. Yes the journey is extremely dangerous, but people are doing it because there is hope in that, compared with being bombed every night, isn't it?
Germany sees this as an opportunity to attract more people to replace its lowest birthrate in the world population.
This incredibly shortsighted philosophy of "let them in" has two dangerous consequences:
1) It encourages MORE AND MORE people to come and risk their lives;
2) It threatens the cultural heritage of the country in the first place. Maybe Merkel et al do not care that their hard fought culture of openness and liberty has been swapped for niqab wearing backwoods religiosity. But the rest of us should go visit Germany while we can, so we can talk about the way it "used to be!"
yeah, Germany is taking advantage of the situation in attracting cheap labour. Your mind is definitely not dark. All other countries are being noble for not encouraging it.
And only people like you would worry about "too many niqab" when tens of thousands of people are risking dying every day. Yeah, Germany should remain white and Christian so that you American tourists can have a good time. Or maybe if the US didn't stick its nose into ME affairs, those people wouldn't have to leave their country in the first place?
Perfectly said, but that first requires the US/UK (and Russia too) to butt out of Middle East affairs entirely and stop supporting this and that anti-government forces for their own completely selfish political agenda, and let the Syrian people solve their own problems internally. However, they won't do that, will they? Why does the US always have to poke its nose in the Middle East? Why the hell can't it just got the hell out of there? People will be better off without its "help".
And honestly I have no moral high grounds. It saw people suffering and dying from wars and trying to leave. If your country were in a war, would you want to leave?? What's wrong with "leave by any means" attitude? it is human nature. It is easy for you to speak from your air conditioned room that this is NOT the solution. Yes the journey is extremely dangerous, but people are doing it because there is hope in that, compared with being bombed every night, isn't it?
The Middle East has been a self-destructive region for millenia. Other powers should have stayed out of it absolutely but do you honestly think people wouldn't be blowing themselves up and massacring each other anyway? Their conflicts predate the US' existence many times over.
And yeah I would want to leave. Trust me, I'm not judging these people. I'm judging the governments of the countries with failed policies. Notice you never hear anything about Australia's migrant crisis anymore. If they hadn't adopted a tough love approach there'd be a robust human trafficking trade through Asia right now of people desperate to get to Australia. But since Australia removed the incentive, now they don't try to go there anymore. But of course, Germany needs the migrants for reasons independent of the humanitarian crisis, and guess it's hard to argue with $$$ when that's what it's all about.
The Middle East has been a self-destructive region for millenia. Other powers should have stayed out of it absolutely but do you honestly think people wouldn't be blowing themselves up and massacring each other anyway? Their conflicts predate the US' existence many times over.
The Middle East did have continuous conflicts, but it is their own business. It is the interventionist policy of the US that made it far worse. Russia is at least close by, while the US is like a million miles away, why the f8ck does it always try to control an area that is nowhere near itself? To contain "communism?? Do you want China to interfere with America's racial conflicts? It is the same idea.
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But of course, Germany needs the migrants for reasons independent of the humanitarian crisis, and guess it's hard to argue with $$$ when that's what it's all about.
I still have a hard time believing people would think Germany is thinking about $$$ when supporting those refugees. It is spending a lot of $$$ to help those people, don't you realize? You probably think Merkel has a DCF model in this laptop to make sure there is a positive NPV? You people are believable, and I hope when you have trouble like this, nobody will be there to help.
yeah, Germany is taking advantage of the situation in attracting cheap labour. Your mind is definitely not dark. All other countries are being noble for not encouraging it.
And only people like you would worry about "too many niqab" when tens of thousands of people are risking dying every day. Yeah, Germany should remain white and Christian so that you American tourists can have a good time. Or maybe if the US didn't stick its nose into ME affairs, those people wouldn't have to leave their country in the first place?
Oh right. Germany is so humanitarian. No ulterior motives whatsoever.
And oh, you must be right. It's the US' fault that the Middle East is screwed up. Everyone there would be holding hands if it weren't for the US!
Syria is not the US' doing. WE don't even get our oil from the Middle East anymore. Euros are the ones sucking down Middle Eastern oil and who won the contracts for exploitation of Iraqi oil!
I say, let's just bring back the Ottoman Empire. That's the only time that place had any stability at all.
For hundreds of years the Ottomans tried and failed to do by force what the "refugees" (AKA, 80% able bodied young men) are accomplishing right now with open arms and zero resistance from a CASTRATED population of Europeans.
Vienna forced back the Ottomans multiple times. Nowadays, their descendants welcome them in with applause.
"We have 50 million Muslims in Europe. There are signs that Allah will grant Islam victory in Europe—without swords, without guns, without conquest—will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades." - Muammar Gaddafi
Perfectly said, but that first requires the US/UK (and Russia too) to butt out of Middle East affairs entirely and stop supporting this and that anti-government forces for their own completely selfish political agenda, and let the Syrian people solve their own problems internally.
It's very difficult to let people of certain countries to "solve their own problems internally" without bloodshed, when people of the said countries do not act out of rationality, but follow certain beliefs, particularly when it comes to Islamic countries. There is a reason why European countries learned how to "solve their internal problems" without bloodshed or upheavals, and most of the third world countries did not.
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However, they won't do that, will they?
No, because the modern history is all about nations that have upper hand and nations of the third world, that have been given into submission to European nations. ( It's all in the bible, actually.)
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Why does the US always have to poke its nose in the Middle East? Why the hell can't it just got the hell out of there?
Oil, for the most part. ( That, and state of Israel.)
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People will be better off without its "help".
They might. And then, again, they might not. Look at the Gulf states for example. Where would they be without American petrodollars?
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And honestly I have no moral high grounds. It saw people suffering and dying from wars and trying to leave. If your country were in a war, would you want to leave?? What's wrong with "leave by any means" attitude? it is human nature.
I am with you on that one, when it comes to Syria. Or Libya for this matter.
And I do think that Germans are acting noble in this situation. Not necessarily the government, but those average Germans, who came to greet the refugees. But then, again, there is something that I already knew about Germans long time ago; one part of their bipolar culture ( I have no other word to describe it) is very socialist in its nature. Like Russians, part of them are preoccupied with thoughts of "fairness" and there is no coincidence that back in the thirties Hitler ( and those with him) had to get busy first eliminating people with this train of thought in their own backyard. And there is a reason you see why Anglo-Saxons were ( and still are) weary of a possible bond between Germany and Russia. With this kind of a union the whole Anglo-world based on commerce, finances and money-making machine wouldn't have had a chance to rule the world any longer.
Some of course are saying that Germans greeting refugees are ensuing more chaos in Europe with all this refugee crisis, but I'd say that the world is sliding into one big chaos anyway. So Germans might as well greet it.
The Middle East did have continuous conflicts, but it is their own business. It is the interventionist policy of the US that made it far worse. Russia is at least close by, while the US is like a million miles away, why the f8ck does it always try to control an area that is nowhere near itself? To contain "communism?? Do you want China to interfere with America's racial conflicts? It is the same idea.
I still have a hard time believing people would think Germany is thinking about $$$ when supporting those refugees. It is spending a lot of $$$ to help those people, don't you realize? You probably think Merkel has a DCF model in this laptop to make sure there is a positive NPV? You people are believable, and I hope when you have trouble like this, nobody will be there to help.
You'll hear no argument from me about US interventionism. Bush created a mess we're still cleaning up. Just saying, there'd be genocide and terrorism regardless.
But really, do you honestly not find it suspect that the most welcoming countries, Germany and Sweden, are the ones who have decreasing populations and high job vacancies? The ones who stand to gain the most by importing warm bodies to replace an aging population? Sure, they may have to pony up some $$ at first, but I would think they are expecting these "refugees" to work eventually. Plenty of unskilled jobs and moreover, a lot of the "refugees" are supposedly educated as well. Of course, Germany and Sweden think they can actually integrate these populations and to that I say "good luck with that." But if you aren't seeing what's really going on here, you aren't seeing the forest for the trees.
And oh, you must be right. It's the US' fault that the Middle East is screwed up. Everyone there would be holding hands if it weren't for the US!
Syria is not the US' doing. WE don't even get our oil from the Middle East anymore. Euros are the ones sucking down Middle Eastern oil and who won the contracts for exploitation of Iraqi oil!
In the short term Iraq would probably still be a unified country, and who knows what Syria would look like had we not intervened in Iraq, had ISIS not gotten a foothold, had we not intervened in its civil war at all, etc.
In the slightly longer term, Iran might have been a democracy or a constitutional monarchy had we not toppled their democratically elected government in the 50s in favor helping the Shah become an autocrat.
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I say, let's just bring back the Ottoman Empire. That's the only time that place had any stability at all.
Maybe if the world powers at the time hadn't carved up said empire at the end of WWI, decided to draw lines in the sand, and then throw groups of people who didn't like each other much into the same country a lot of this wouldn't have happened.
That being said, the Ottoman Empire was no perfect specimen. They committed their own genocides.
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For hundreds of years the Ottomans tried and failed to do by force what the "refugees" (AKA, 80% able bodied young men) are accomplishing right now with open arms and zero resistance from a CASTRATED population of Europeans.
Vienna forced back the Ottomans multiple times. Nowadays, their descendants welcome them in with applause.
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