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Old 09-11-2015, 03:54 PM
 
Location: SoCal again
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I don't think so. If you're implying that countries are more willing to accept migrants if they have low birth rates or low population growth, then Eastern Europe should be the most pro-immigration region of Europe, but they're the least pro-immigrant region.

Germany is taking in the refugees because of misplaced guilt and always overcompensating for past issues. It has nothing to do with adding population (and it isn't like the mostly unskilled and often illiterate migrants are exactly going to be powering the skills-dependent economy; they will mostly be on public assistance).
Germany will have to pay for Hitler until they are going down - which is pretty soon. There is no way - ever - that his little country is able to feed and house the 800,000 immigrants that are expected just this year alone. Additional to the ones already there and the ones arriving in the following years.

My parents live in Germany and they say that every little town there has now tents and gym halls and school areas full with refugees who just hang out there, trash the place with pooping everywhere outside and inside and on the side of the roads, throw their trash everywhere and start breaking into homes.

Good old Germany no more. Can't even blame the refugees. Everybody from a poorer country who doesn't go to Germany is really stupid.
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Old 09-11-2015, 03:56 PM
 
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Don't think Merkel is planning for these tens of thousands of "refugees" and the flood that is coming to remain in Germany. That is again once they have received proper asylum papers IIRC that will allow them to move anywhere within the EU. This is what worries other countries if not their elected officials but the general populace.

As previously stated many of these migrants do *NOT* speak German, but they do English. Why do you think there are scores of thousands of these migrants parking themselves in northern France near the Chunnel train tunnels and or ports? They want to get to the UK where supposedly jobs are easier to be had *and* no new language skills are required for the most part.
Germany is overwhelmed. I read/hear in all the news that Germany WANTS those immigrants and they are prepared for the flood - so not true. My family over there reports the opposite.

The UK doesn't want them. No country wants them, but Germany is not allowed to say NO or they get the Hitler card immediately.
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Old 09-11-2015, 04:15 PM
 
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Germany is overwhelmed. I read/hear in all the news that Germany WANTS those immigrants and they are prepared for the flood - so not true. My family over there reports the opposite.

The UK doesn't want them. No country wants them, but Germany is not allowed to say NO or they get the Hitler card immediately.
Correct me if am wrong but no one forced Germany/Frau Merkel to issue an all welcome appeal; it was their/her decision in response to the plight of these "migrants" stuck at the border of Hungary and other eastern European countries.

Problem now thanks to Merkel Germany is in this up to their necks. She cannot say "no" now and indeed has doubled down on her offers. What the end game is I certainly do not know but you hear numbers upwards of 800k being "accepted" into Germany.
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Old 09-11-2015, 10:06 PM
 
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Whether Germans or any other countries' citizens agrees or not will be seen in the next elections.
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Old 09-13-2015, 07:59 AM
 
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Easy answer, some are realist and recognize the threat of Islamic terrorist while others welcome the Muslim refugees. Now Russia is moving into Syria propping up their government. These actions will ultimately create instability in Europe from terrorist attacks, financial drain on social programs supporting refugees, as well as the drain on taxes to contain the social and political unrest caused by both the refugees and the citizens protesting the refugees and the crimes they're committing. For Russia and Islamic terrorist, it's a win win.
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Old 09-13-2015, 08:11 AM
 
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No matter what their guidelines used the purpose is to keep their own citizens safe. Restricting who and how many should be done by many nations. If it were Americans as refugees the doors worldwide would slam in our faces.
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Old 09-13-2015, 08:16 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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Germany has an unemployment rate of 4.7%, lower than that of the US (5.5%).

Of course the US will sit back and enjoy the show. It created this mess (much like the euro crisis to a large extent as well).
So you think that the problems in the Middle East which have resulted in the influx of ME immigrants into Europe for the past several decades are the fault of the US? You think the problems in that region are recent?
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Old 09-13-2015, 08:41 AM
 
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According to the latest Eurobarometer, people don't welcome immigration that much, immigration outside the EU even less so.

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Old 09-13-2015, 09:33 AM
 
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Easy answer, some are realist and recognize the threat of Islamic terrorist while others welcome the Muslim refugees. Now Russia is moving into Syria propping up their government. These actions will ultimately create instability in Europe from terrorist attacks, financial drain on social programs supporting refugees, as well as the drain on taxes to contain the social and political unrest caused by both the refugees and the citizens protesting the refugees and the crimes they're committing. For Russia and Islamic terrorist, it's a win win.
Oh woo to Russia!
So how many "terrorist attacks," "drain on social programs supporting refugees" in Europe, and "crimes they are committing" did Syria contribute to, while under Assad?
Hint; it's every time the US ( read their faithful allies from Gulf states) are sticking their nose in international affairs, trying to hit Russian interests ( and yes, Assad was protecting Russian interests in the region) here and there, guess what starts happening?
Yep, precisely what you've described above.

P.S. Have to add something regarding "for Russia and Islamic terrorists it's a win win."
Pretty ahem... how should I put it - unintelligent to make such statements.
Since Russia has been dealing with Islamic terrorists since the 1800ies, and Russia still has them potentially on her own territory, giving a hand to terrorists was always a weapon of American choice ( Afghanistan, Chechnia anyone?) although sometimes the funding was provided through the faithful allies of the US - the Saudis.

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Old 09-13-2015, 09:36 AM
 
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According to the latest Eurobarometer, people don't welcome immigration that much, immigration outside the EU even less so.
I've heard EU gov was *asking* Baltic countries to relieve the pressure mounting with influx of those non-EU refugees ( Middle-East-Africa) and to accept some quotas (certain amount of refugees) in Baltic counties?
Is it true?
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