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Finally, the "non-European population" in Lyon is affected by residents from France's former colonies in North Africa and sub-Saharan Africa. This doesn't make Lyon more vibrant and "international" than Hamburg
Oh, and why is that, apart from racism?
The overwhelming majority of the non-European population in Hamburg comes from one single country: Turkey. That doesn't make Hamburg more vibrant and international either!
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Originally Posted by masonbauknight
Germany's 2nd-tier cities -- Hamburg, Munich, and Frankfurt -- are more dynamic and far less provincial than Lyon.
That's only YOUR subjective opinion, nothing else.
Personally, I have never seen a city more boring, dull, and sleepy than Frankfurt. In comparison, Lyon is full of life in its streets, and full of young people too (something which has become rare in Germany).
The overwhelming majority of the non-European population in Hamburg comes from one single country: Turkey. That doesn't make Hamburg more vibrant and international either! .
In the case of a German city, what other "non-European country" would they come from? France has a colonial legacy, and large French cities have many people from former French colonies (many of them marginalized Maghrebian and sub-Saharan residents). That does not make Lyon more "international" in a positive sense.
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Originally Posted by SuomiReader
That's only YOUR subjective opinion, nothing else.
Personally, I have never seen a city more boring, dull, and sleepy than Frankfurt. In comparison, Lyon is full of life in its streets, and full of young people too (something which has become rare in Germany).
Frankfurt is a financial capital, so it's more stuffy downtown. It's still a much more dynamic city than Lyon. Munich and Hamburg are just as fun-loving as Lyon is, are more international and open to foreigners, and are less provincial too. Let's not continue down this road, as you don't convince me, I don't convince you, and we're off the subject of the thread: Franco-American couples.
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In the case of a German city, what other "non-European country" would they come from? France has a colonial legacy, and large French cities have many people from former French colonies (many of them marginalized Maghrebian and sub-Saharan residents). That does not make Lyon more "international" in a positive sense.
Frankfurt is a financial capital, so it's more stuffy downtown. It's still a much more dynamic city than Lyon. Munich and Hamburg are just as fun-loving as Lyon is, are more international and open to foreigners, and are less provincial too. Let's not continue down this road, as you don't convince me, I don't convince you, and we're off the subject of the thread: Franco-American couples.
You're really annoying. And I mean REALLY annoying. You said you've been to Dijon right? That's all? because seriously if that's all, you have no right to talk as freely as you do, there's things someone shouldn't say, and especially in front of a native of the said country. You're not a native right? You don't sound like one. And don't tell me it has nothing to do with it because it's a lie (yes I'm telling you what you should or shouldn't do, how does it feel?).
Bref, back to the dumb original question of this thread...
@DJ. As I said before, I've lived in Paris and Dijon but have been all over France and elsewhere in Europe. I know the country very well. Americans have strong opinions too, and Americans who have lived in France and speak French very well have strong opinions about the country. As far as "in front of a native of said country": please. On French forums, it can often be open season on America, some of it very rude and unflattering. Do I get myself all bent out of shape? No. I just go with the (French) flow and debate French posters in their own language. You can do the same here, but you must accept that City-Data is an American forum and that your country might come into some criticism.
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@DJ. As I said before, I've lived in Paris and Dijon but have been all over France and elsewhere in Europe. I know the country very well. Americans have strong opinions too, and Americans who have lived in France and speak French very well have strong opinions about the country. As far as "in front of a native of said country": On French forums, it can often be open season on America, some of it very rude and unflattering. Do I get myself all bent out of shape? No. I just go with the (French) flow and debate French posters in their own language. You can do the same here, but you must accept that City-Data is an American forum and that your country will come into some criticism.
"into some criticism" lol, this is the understatement of the year. There is criticism and there is gratuitous comments. I'm not going to let you and all other French bashers tell lies and misconceptions about my own country if I can do something about it. If you want to bash my country oops sorry "critisize it", do it, but don't expect natives to shut up and let you spread your false views. I'm fed up of this way of thinking, American forum so Americans can say whatever they want, even if it's wrong? Right, then I'm glad I don't live in the US. I'm done with you, say what you want.
"into some criticism" lol, this is the understatement of the year. There is criticism and there is gratuitous comments. I'm not going to let you and all other French bashers tell lies and misconceptions about my own country if I can do something about it. If you want to bash my country oops sorry "critisize it", do it, but don't expect natives to shut up and let you spread your false views. I'm fed up of this way of thinking, American forum so Americans can say whatever they want, even if it's wrong? Right, then I'm glad I don't live in the US. I'm done with you, say what you want.
When Americans criticize France, it's "French bashing", but when French posters slam the US, they're being thoughtful debaters, right? I actually agree with French posters about America sometimes, but I strongly disagree at other times (in French). Often the French poster has never set foot in the States at all, and so the "opinion" must be challenged. I have lived in France, speak your language well, and have opinions about the country.
When Americans criticize France, it's "French bashing", but when French posters slam the US, they're being thoughtful debaters, right? I actually agree with French posters about America sometimes, but I strongly disagree at other times (in French). Often the French poster has never set foot in the States at all, and so the "opinion" must be challenged. I have lived in France, speak your language well, and have opinions about the country.
Don't listen to DJ. He/She is a French nationalist who believes that there is nothing wrong with France and thinks it is perfect (which is not true). A lot of French people (as well as British people) have a lot difficulty accepting criticism from foreigners even though many of them live in the country and know better than anyone else the bad parts of the country.
^^Perhaps, but these silly comments trying to portray French cities as some sort of provincial holes compared to German cities is plain ass stupid.
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