Georgia. Obscure In Between Europe+Asia. Is There A Mainland Europe Classification Or Eastern European Identification? (best, moving)

[boxus]

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Now what is the main variation between Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan? They always appeared to deserve unification together. Really how alien are they from each other deep down? Kazakhstan undeniably is having much more Russification than Kyrgyzstan. Maybe up to 30% Russian at least rather than 15%, much more people speaking Russian other than a Turkic native language. Funny when Kazakhs Chinese Asian looking people speak Russian from there. They seem very European at times. Kazakhs are probably not related to the Han Chinese ethnic group at all or too much. Are ethnic Kazakhs pretty much the same thing as the Uyghurs except across the border?

Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan are similar, hard to describe unless living there, but there are differences, just as the US and Canada are different. I do not see why they should be unified, Canada and the US are similar and not rushing to be unified. The Russification is similar, identical actually, it is just Kazakhstan has more money to upkeep and improve infrastructure, while Kyrgyzstan does not and regresses, so Kyrgyzstan gives the appearance of being less russified but that is do to neglect.

Also, the people act different, Kyrgyzs are much nicer generally. Kazakhs are a turkic/Mongol gorup, related to the Uyghurs.

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Georgia is not really too similar or having common identity with those two Central Asian sovereign nations except with the USSR. Not any Chinese oriental resembling people, no Buddhism or Islam, and much more Orthodox Christian. Isolation of Kartvelian language group. Not much if any Turkic original at all. Unique language writing script. საქართველო არ არის ნამდვილად ძალიან ჰგავს ან რომელსაც საერთო იდენტობის იმ ორი ცენტრალური აზიის სუვერენულ ქვეყანას. არ არის არც ერთი ჩინური აღმოსავლური მსგავსი ხალხი, არ ბუდიზმი და ისლამი, და ბევრად უფრო მართლმადიდებელი ქრისტიანი. იზოლირებული ქართველურ ენათა ჯგუფს. არ არის ბევრი, თუ რომელიმე თურქული ორიგინალური ყველა. უნიკალური ენის წერის სკრიპტი.

I meant Georgia being similar by way of Soviet influence, which still lingers and shaped society there. Going from Georgia to Kyrgyzstan is like going from Greece to Sweden, not like going from Greece to Vietnam. While there are many differences, you can also see many similarities by way of institutions and how things operate on a day to day basis, etc. Just saying it is not quite the culture shock as the geography/demographics make it seems to be. At least not for me I should say.

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Batumi Georgia occasionally feels a twin city to Constanta Romania. They even have their own Mamaia massive beach resort nightlife zone, some of a similar architecture layout, exotic dreamy alien vibe, enough Dobrogean Romanians appearing Georgian in looks, especially when they have black or brunette hair. Forget those blonde Russian or Ukrainian looking Romanians. lol There is even a Youtube video grouping Romanian and Georgian ladies together. Anyone wants the website link?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwhse2FESV4 Georgian ladies are really my favorite lately. They are very spiritual, deep, and real. Romanian ladies remind me too much of my cousins. lol

A couple of close friends of my wife are Georgian, so I am around Georgians often, a few times a week actually.

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I hope Georgia is maintaining their native language, including on their own music songs. Those native Romanian songs are very alive all over the country, including Dobrogea. Very proud they take care of their language extra strong and not having English infiltrate too much not appropriately as a pest.

They have preserved their language and culture well, and I do not think it is in any danger of being squeezed out by another culture. They have a pretty strong nationalist trait there, which I think is a good thing to a certain extent, at the same time disagreeing with the on the break away areas and their treatment of non-Georgians.

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Even Sochi Krasnodar Krai Black Sea was actually belonging to Georgia originally a long time.

Many Georgians still think Sochi belongs to Georgia, and will not even refer it to being in Russia (my wife's Georgian friends for example).

[Ruth4Truth]

Those don't look like Romanian women in the video. Nobody looks like that in Romania, lol! I'm not buying that. It looks like someone flew in models or porn actresses from somewhere else, and photo'ed 'em in Romania. And few of the supposedly Georgian women look Georgian. Some of those are Russians, some look Ossetian. Red hair, blonde hair--that's not Georgian, folks.

Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth

I don't know what the bolded means. It's confusing when you lump countries in the Caucasus together with Central Asian nations. The 'stans are clearly in Asia. (Well, ok, except for western Kazakhstan, which some consider to be in Europe). The Caucasus is at a crossroads between Europe and Asia Minor.

It's possible that some of the pre-Indo-European peoples of Europe were related to the Georgians. Remnants of Georgian/Caucasic vocabulary are found in Basque and Romanian. I don't really consider them "East European". The Caucasus are very much their own thing. It's a fascinating region.

What is wrong with the "In Between Europe and Asia" label? You already know I have enough relevant understanding evaluation beginning familiar acquaintance towards these regions.

Migration at thousands of years prior is inevitable to spread people very far away. Even without any airplanes or computers to facilitate quick communication or travel. I wonder how far those wonderfully alien ethnic Georgians went to the European mainland obscure past migration. Intuition tells me they at least went to some of Dobrogea area of Romania up to the beach cities especially around Turkish occupation times of historical decades temporary era dynasty between Romania and Georgia.

Woah, Romania vocabulary originating out of the Georgian language. Let me know some of those exact words or sentences. Essentially, Romania language is composed of around 33% Italian, 33% French origin, more original classical ancient Latin than any other language in the entire World of modern times right now, and some subtle traces of Slavic. Very unique language.


Some of my favorite Romanian language communication phrases I remember right now:
First, Romanian phrase, Second English translation, Finally what language the Romanian communication utterance is resembling:

"Vom vedea anul viitor alte": We will see each other next year. Seems very Latin.
"Ne Vedem Viitoare": See each other in the future. Wow, already seems sort of Hungarian
"Bună dimineața!": Good morning! Even better in Romanian. Ultra Italian! Actually the Romanian and Italian way to say Good Evening is pretty much exactly the same.
"Am fost cu avion": I was on the airplane. Very French sounding.
"Vă rog, vorbiţi mai rar": Please speak slowly. Woah, very Turkish language resemblance.
"Merg Acolo": Go Over There. Sort of Spanish.


I hope to know more Romanian again compared to last summer. Unfortunately getting close to a blank slate sometimes. Really mystical how when I am far away from Romania(Especially the geographic antipode of the Pacific Northwest), takes much more effort to remember, and when I am in Romania I just instantaneously obtain all of those Romanian communication methods again literally out of the language friendly air. Literally, I speak lots of Romanian there, or even around other surrounding European nations, and then when I am back at North America very rare to almost non-existent.

Anyone tell me what they know on the Georgian basic origin, foundational principle, and ultimate complex advanced variability language communication order composition making up the language.

Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth

Those don't look like Romanian women in the video. Nobody looks like that in Romania, lol! I'm not buying that. It looks like someone flew in models or porn actresses from somewhere else, and photo'ed 'em in Romania. And few of the supposedly Georgian women look Georgian. Some of those are Russians, some look Ossetian. Red hair, blonde hair--that's not Georgian, folks.

Trust me, I have tons of cousins around Romania beach cities region of Dobrogea resembling those ladies in the video and are virtually exact visual twins. At least 5 female cousins out of 33, and at least 10% to 70% of their own citizens. Only black hair brunette ones. Not those blonde Russian Ukrainian fake clones. lol Some Romanians look very Italian too. One of my cousins used to resemble a Georgian lady with black brunette hair one decade ago and just dying her hair blonde totally makes her look Russian Ukranian. She is a multimillionaire because of her parent's farm owning business, one of the wealthiest families in all of Romania, and she is one of my favorite Romanians.


By the way, which country you prefer compared to Romania or Georgia, Ruth4Truth? Are you Romanian or Russian ethnic heritage? Or are you Black, Hispanic or East Asian? lol

[erasure]

Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth

Those don't look like Romanian women in the video. Nobody looks like that in Romania, lol! I'm not buying that. It looks like someone flew in models or porn actresses from somewhere else, and photo'ed 'em in Romania. And few of the supposedly Georgian women look Georgian. Some of those are Russians, some look Ossetian. Red hair, blonde hair--that's not Georgian, folks.

On average Georgian women don't look all that great, but some of their top few are of amazing beauty, and you can see some exotic admixture to them, which is not quite of "European origin" I think..))))


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwjDklN560g

Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth

Those don't look like Romanian women in the video. Nobody looks like that in Romania, lol!

I ultimately hope Ruth4Truth is finally responding to my earlier post on Romania, including making specific comparisons between Romania and Georgia across the Black Sea.

Having endless feelings of hypnotic allure lately to how alien exotic Romania, and Georgia are to North Americans. Although, I am technically Romanian too, and living in Constanta beach city area by June 2016. I obtained the paid farm work.

Not understanding exactly why all Romanians rarely ever know anything relevant to the nation of Georgia. They know much more about France, or Italy than their Black Sea sort of neighboring counterpart on the other side. Quite ignorant if you ask me and not very educated. They have to learn more, and start traveling much more often to Georgia, especially Batumi Black Sea resort. Batumi, and Constanta are occasionally twin cities.

By the way, the Black Sea is Cancun Mexico extra blue azure turquoise summer months. Never actually Black except maybe during a record snow ice storm in the winter. Very tropical feeling in the summer months. Tons of touristic infrastructure already developing. Constanta is occasionally vaguely resembling Ibiza Spain at Mamaia nightlife zone, and used to be even better around 5 years ago to one decade ago. Baroque, and Neo-Brancovenesque buildings are around too. Ancient historical region of Dobrogea is far beyond Constanta. And then there's Bulgaria, and Turkey. Technically, northern Istanbul borders the Black Sea. Batumi Georgia is one of my favorite cities ever, and a very unknown area to foreigners.

Black Sea is a vastly underrated Hidden treasure, and really one of my favorite areas of the entire World.

Romania ladies and Georgian ladies are sometimes very identical.

Originally Posted by erasure

On average Georgian women don't look all that great, but some of their top few are of amazing beauty, and you can see some exotic admixture to them, which is not quite of "European origin" I think..))))
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwjDklN560g

Georgian ladies are very hot, dreamy, exotic, deep, and spiritual. I want to hook up with a Georgia lady, go out with one, or even marry one. From the country of Georgia of course. Usually, they look very attractive. Very rare to not ever meet my high standard. My only complaint is sometimes way too skinny. =/ I prefer slightly overweight to fat ladies. I always advocate slightly fat rather than too skinny, and very proud of my beliefs. Too skinny = Miserable from my experience, and oppressive restriction. Sort of overweight not too fat= Happy Ecstasy Endless Euphoria of Freedom. All of my past 5 girlfriends are overweight. I love overweight people. They actually love food, and are not always counting their own calories. Bigger boobs, and ass too.

[serabal]

Georgians are very hostile peolpe. They are very opened.
My father visired Georgia and he always said that Georgians are not a warriors.
May that was the case why did the voluntarily joined Russian Empire.

I haven't ever been in Georgia. But I was grown up in Kazachstan (1980-1990).
I remember that I was taught Kazakh tradiotional dances in my kindergarten. I learned Kazakh language, we read Kazakh fairtales.
There were traditional Kazakh fiests in our town. We learned about Kazakh scientists and poets.
We had Kazakh television. books.
And I remeber that there was schools when they used only Kazakh language.

My mother visited Georgia in late 80's. And when their bus passed the "border" they told to the tourists: Welcome to Geargia there is no Soviet Union here.

My relative lived in Sochi region during her youth. And she has very hideous memories of Caucasian men (Georgian, Armenian). They were very impudent to the women. They could touch you or even rape.
All Caucasian men have hot blood, so it appears in their sexual behavior.

[Seattle4321]

So where does "greater Europe" stop so Kazakhstan and Kygyzstan are not Europe in any way, but what about the rest of Central Asia? What about parts of Middle East? Like Iran, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt? I know the Middle East is Mulsim but besides the religious difference is there any connection? I spent MANY years having Turkish neighbors and being GREAT friends with them. Besides them being Muslim they look European, some are light skinned, some are dark similar to Greeks and Italians. Their attitudes are very European too. They are just like Europeans except their religion I would definitely considers countries like Turkey part of the "Greater Europe". On a side note they have this really cool hair color! It looks dark brown/black but in the sun it has the deep reddish/purple tinge to it. It is so pretty I wish I could show you it all!

[Seattle4321]

Also I knew lots of Iranians! They seemed very European, but some of their looks were questionable, but other totally looke European. What do you guys think?

Originally Posted by serabal

Georgians are very hostile peolpe. They are very opened.
My father visired Georgia and he always said that Georgians are not a warriors.
May that was the case why did the voluntarily joined Russian Empire.

I haven't ever been in Georgia. But I was grown up in Kazachstan (1980-1990).
I remember that I was taught Kazakh tradiotional dances in my kindergarten. I learned Kazakh language, we read Kazakh fairtales.
There were traditional Kazakh fiests in our town. We learned about Kazakh scientists and poets.
We had Kazakh television. books.
And I remeber that there was schools when they used only Kazakh language.

My mother visited Georgia in late 80's. And when their bus passed the "border" they told to the tourists: Welcome to Geargia there is no Soviet Union here.

My relative lived in Sochi region during her youth. And she has very hideous memories of Caucasian men (Georgian, Armenian). They were very impudent to the women. They could touch you or even rape.
All Caucasian men have hot blood, so it appears in their sexual behavior.

Kazakhstan was already feeling very separate outside of Russia before USSR Soviet Union disintegration declaring independent sovereignty.

Rich unique culture that can't get a replication. Georgia, and Kazakhstan were never supposed to get absorbed into Russia all along. Although, there aren't too much common similarities between Kazakhstan to Georgia. Another land zone far away enough. I have met Kazakh people before, yet not ever any Georgians.

Paradox if they end up hostile, yet very opened to those ethnic Georgians. I bet they are very friendly, exotic, and wonderfully alien.

Originally Posted by Seattle4321

Also I knew lots of Iranians! They seemed very European, but some of their looks were questionable, but other totally looke European. What do you guys think?

There is absolutely nothing European about Iranians. They are hardcore solidly Middle Eastern. Everything imaginable, especially culture, and outlook. Biological genetics or looks is not enough at all.

Originally Posted by Seattle4321

So where does "greater Europe" stop so Kazakhstan and Kygyzstan are not Europe in any way, but what about the rest of Central Asia? What about parts of Middle East? Like Iran, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt? I know the Middle East is Mulsim but besides the religious difference is there any connection? I spent MANY years having Turkish neighbors and being GREAT friends with them. Besides them being Muslim they look European, some are light skinned, some are dark similar to Greeks and Italians. Their attitudes are very European too. They are just like Europeans except their religion I would definitely considers countries like Turkey part of the "Greater Europe". On a side note they have this really cool hair color! It looks dark brown/black but in the sun it has the deep reddish/purple tinge to it. It is so pretty I wish I could show you it all!

Mainland Europe has varying definition. There is always a vast Western Europe vs. Eastern Europe occurrence. Then there's the more superficial shallow not too accurate North vs. South. My favorite ones are Benelux, Celtic, Austro-Hungarian, Romance Latin, Slavic, Balkan, Czechoslovakian Polish, Hispanic Iberian, Baltic, Germanic, Scandinavian, Nordic.

Turkey is already reaching Middle Eastern. Although, areas of Balkan Albania, Bosnia, including some of Kosovo, Bulgaria, Macedonia are having some past unity to Northeastern areas of Turkey close to Istanbul. Not too different there, and tons of Muslims around those regions of Balkan Europe entirely originating from Turkey.

Originally Posted by boxus

Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan are similar, hard to describe unless living there, but there are differences, just as the US and Canada are different. I do not see why they should be unified, Canada and the US are similar and not rushing to be unified. The Russification is similar, identical actually, it is just Kazakhstan has more money to upkeep and improve infrastructure, while Kyrgyzstan does not and regresses, so Kyrgyzstan gives the appearance of being less russified but that is do to neglect.

Also, the people act different, Kyrgyzs are much nicer generally. Kazakhs are a turkic/Mongol gorup, related to the Uyghurs.

I meant Georgia being similar by way of Soviet influence, which still lingers and shaped society there. Going from Georgia to Kyrgyzstan is like going from Greece to Sweden, not like going from Greece to Vietnam. While there are many differences, you can also see many similarities by way of institutions and how things operate on a day to day basis, etc. Just saying it is not quite the culture shock as the geography/demographics make it seems to be. At least not for me I should say.

A couple of close friends of my wife are Georgian, so I am around Georgians often, a few times a week actually.

They have preserved their language and culture well, and I do not think it is in any danger of being squeezed out by another culture. They have a pretty strong nationalist trait there, which I think is a good thing to a certain extent, at the same time disagreeing with the on the break away areas and their treatment of non-Georgians.

Many Georgians still think Sochi belongs to Georgia, and will not even refer it to being in Russia (my wife's Georgian friends for example).

Have there ever been close calls to make Kyrgyzstan stay with Kazakhstan as the same exact nation, other than right before the disintegration of the USSR Soviet Union? Kazakhstan seems more wealthy, modern, and having even more heavy Russification. While Kyrgyzstan is more rustic, traditional, and entirely mountainous.

Is there any mutual intelligibility between their own native languages Kazakh versus Kyrgyz, quick migration patterns between them, and tons of common cultural traits? I thought ethnic national Kazakhs are more extroverted and easier with getting to know. Kyrgyzstan citizens are more mysterious, difficult to understand, and having more introversion.

Fortunately, Georgia isn't succumbing disproportionately much around the wrath of Russian imperialism. Maintaining original authentic rational principles of native exotic culture. Immediately separate feeling when crossing the border with entering another unique land territorial zone. Nature landscapes, Architecture, urban atmosphere, Cyrillic to Kartvelian writing script, and every imaginable type of vibrancy going on. Very deep and spiritual. To ancient historical reference, the area around Sochi in the past is part of Georgia with antiquity. They are in denial or in regret for what happened recently up to the past five decades. Identical to the tragedy of Abkhazia. Are your Georgian affiliates ever missing living or visiting the country of Georgia? Despite the poverty, extremely beautiful hypnotically alluring unique alien nation.