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Old 10-06-2015, 11:36 AM
 
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Like Hillary Clinton's emails, the drip continues............
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Baltimore firm prepares to file Volkswagen suit

At least one Baltimore law firm is preparing to file a lawsuit against automaker Volkswagen just two weeks after the company announced its “clean diesel” vehicles contained software that fooled emissions tests. Salsbury, Clements, Bekman, Marder & Adkins LLC has been soliciting customers who may have purchased the affected vehicles and investigating possible claims for a little more than a week, according to attorney Ryan S. Perlin. A lawsuit should be filed this week on behalf of consumers in Maryland and the Washington, D.C. region. (Daily Record)
Never let a crisis go to waste......


VW Facing Existential Threat: Chairman

VW CEO: Massive Cuts Needed
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Old 10-06-2015, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, QC, Canada
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Umm...why has this thread turned into a discussion about Nazis? And for that matter, why does every CD thread pertaining to anything German always turn into a discussion about Nazis?
There's a theory about that. It goes as far as to say the topic doesn't even have to pertain to Germany or anything German in the first place.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
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Old 10-06-2015, 12:47 PM
 
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The rub of course is that the defect is not repairable.

They can of course fix the software and stop the cheat. But that leaves the car owner with an automobile that no longer performs as it did or should.

I don't believe they have any fix that will correct the flaw and provide the same vehicle the customer had.

It would also appear the customer is personally better off with the cheat software. So even if VW changes it to eliminate the cheat how many weeks will it be before the old software is offered on the black market?

The only real fix would be to buy back the cars. I would think that would bankrupt VW.
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Old 10-08-2015, 08:13 AM
 
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Likely gonna be some sparks on Capitol Hill today, as conflicting statements about who knew what when are tested.

Volkswagen’s top US executive testifies before Congress. Michael Horn, CEO of VW America, will answer “initial questions” about the automaker’s emissions cheating scandal and probably admit he knew of the rigging as early as spring 2014. The Senate finance committee is also investigating whether the company’s clean energy tax credits were granted under false pretenses.

How Diesel Became the New Environmental "Evil" in Europe - Platts

30% of it's Tennessee plant will now idle.

VW Pulls US Certificate Request


IT’S GONNA BE A LONG, LONG TIME. “Volkswagen AG’s efforts to fix diesel cars with rigged emissions systems are set to drag on through at least the end of 2016, signaling the long road ahead for the automaker to emerge from the scandal.” (Bloomberg)

MEANWHILE, VW CHIEF FACES HILL SCRUTINY. “Michael Horn, head of Volkswagen Group of America, ... is set to testify before a House Energy and Commerce subcommittee on Thursday. … over Volkswagen’s use of software on nearly a half million diesel-powered cars in the U.S. to dupe emissions tests and make vehicles appear cleaner than they were. “ (Wall Street Journal)
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Old 10-08-2015, 11:05 AM
 
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What I still don't get, did they cheat because it was simply cheaper or because they did not know how to meet those emissions standards? VW is one of Germany's biggest patent generators, it would be odd if they were not able to do what other smaller car makers seem to accomplish.
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Old 10-08-2015, 11:36 AM
 
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What I still don't get, did they cheat because it was simply cheaper or because they did not know how to meet those emissions standards? VW is one of Germany's biggest patent generators, it would be odd if they were not able to do what other smaller car makers seem to accomplish.
I think both, they couldn't fix the problem with the relatively inexpensive engine they were using. Fixing might have required admission of failure, plus the cost of developing a new more expensive replacement engine.
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Old 10-08-2015, 12:30 PM
 
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People have started to wake up..

German business/work ethics?

Daimler 'agrees $185m fine' to settle US corruption investigation | Business | The Guardian

Complicit in Corruption: How German Companies Bribed Their Way to Greek Deals - SPIEGEL ONLINE

There's more examples out there..
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Old 10-08-2015, 12:49 PM
 
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I think both, they couldn't fix the problem with the relatively inexpensive engine they were using. Fixing might have required admission of failure, plus the cost of developing a new more expensive replacement engine.
Yes, it is a very competitive industry, so every dollar matters :P But in hindsight it would have been much cheaper

Why don't cars use Adblue like tractors do?
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Old 10-08-2015, 01:12 PM
 
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Yes, it is a very competitive industry, so every dollar matters :P But in hindsight it would have been much cheaper

Why don't cars use Adblue like tractors do?
They do, but VW decided the cost was too high for their cheaper cars (Golf, Jetta, Beetle).
The problem with diesel engines is they create more nitrous oxide emissions than gasoline engines. Other manufactures deal with this issue by injecting liquid urea into the exhaust gasses. BMW and Mercedes use this system to manufacture diesel engines that conform to all applicable emissions standards. Oddly enough, Bosch supplies the urea injection system, which is why it knew Volkswagen was not doing something other carmakers were. The urea treatment equipment would have cost VW an additional $335 per car. That’s a total of $165 million for all 500,000 cars affected, according to
Why do some Volkswagen diesels use AdBlue and others do not? - Ask.cars.com
Bosch Warned VW About Illegal Diesel Emissions In 2007 - Gas 2
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Old 10-08-2015, 01:17 PM
 
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What I still don't get, did they cheat because it was simply cheaper or because they did not know how to meet those emissions standards? VW is one of Germany's biggest patent generators, it would be odd if they were not able to do what other smaller car makers seem to accomplish.
They knew about the emissions. They probably chose to re-calibrate the computer because their ultimate goal was to become #1 automaker (with $4 per gallon gas(in the US), fuel efficient TDI engines would bring them closer to meeting their targets.) After all they sold 11 mil diesel vehicles worldwide.

Also take a look at this..

"Murray later brought up and criticized Volkswagen for "scamming" car buyers in the 1990s for buying the cheapest parts possible for the production of Jettas and Golfs, allowing Volkswagen to make a larger profit off their car sales, funding the construction of the Bugatti Veyron. "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugatti_Veyron

By cheating, they were aiming at reaching their goals faster. I suppose it's all part of the German domination plan. This one didn't go exactly as planned though. They'll be fleeced in the end and after they emerge from this scandal, VW will be a different company.
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