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Old 10-10-2015, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Finland
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Getting reaaaaaaaaaaaaally off-topic, but whatever.

Xander, have you watched this?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfboS-QI5xQ

Tell me what you think. The only that I could understand was Ingrian. Even Karelian caused huge trouble.
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Old 10-10-2015, 11:53 AM
 
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Indeed. The only languages with a level of intelligibility is Estonian and Karelian.

To get the terminology equivalents clear:

Uralic - (the general language group) = the equivalent is Indo-European for example
Finnic - (the sibling subgroup) = Romance
Finnish - (the language) = Italian

Uralic = Indo-European
Hungarian = Baltic
Hungarian = Latvian

So, as Italian and Latvian languages are related, they are in a different subgroup, like Romance, Germanic, South Slavic, Indo-Iranian and so on languages are all different subgroups. I'm not sure, but I would guess that Italian and Latvian are as close to each other as Finnish is to Hungarian.
Just because the Uralic languages group is smaller than the Indo-European group, it doesn't mean that the different languages would be more closely related. And why would they? Before the airplane was invented Finnish and Hungarian never had any contact with each other since both languages were born.

Finnish is a Finnic language. The close relatives are Karelian, Estonian, Ingrian, Veps, Ludic, Votic and Livonian, the last three being extinct. With these languages you can see and hear a similarity, like you notice in Italian and French. But with French and Polish you don't hear it, because they belong to a different subgroup, just like Hungarian and Finnish does. Even in the 30 years war the closest we got to Hungary was Vienna and Prague.

Kven is spoken in Norway, but that is not a language but a dialect of Finnish, just like Italian has a number of dialects.

Estonian (Tallinn) waiters may well understand Finnish as they are so exposed to it, but if for example KuuKulgur and me would meet, we would have to converse in English, because I can't understand any Estonian but some extremely simple phrases.


Finno-Ugric-Altai-Samoyedan languages are not related to any Indoeuropean languages, only under the form of loan words. The linguistic group is very young, their presence in the west of Urals and off the Altai region is far more recent than believed, probably less than 1200 years.

Finnish seems to be an older indoeuropean tribe from which they adopted their name.

Seems they arrived at the same time that Magyars, probably provoked by some historical event or were being pushed by other tribes to the east.
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Old 10-10-2015, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Finland
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Finno-Ugric-Altai-Samoyedan languages are not related to any Indoeuropean languages, only under the form of loan words. The linguistic group is very young, their presence in the west of Urals and off the Altai region is far more recent than believed, probably less than 1200 years.

Finnish seems to be an older indoeuropean tribe from which they adopted their name.

Seems they arrived at the same time that Magyars, probably provoked by some historical event or were being pushed by other tribes to the east.
No, you are wrong, but right about that Finnish is not an Indo-European language, that is a fact. Present Baltic Finnic languages (Finnish, Estonian, Karelian, Livonian, Ingrian, Veps, Ludic, Votic) are believed to be 4000 years old, and have originated somewhere between today's Saint Petersburg and Veliky Novgorod. These languages are therefore much older than for example Swedish, Norwegian and Danish, which separated from each other only some 900 years ago. Altaic languages have nothing to do with Uralic languages, as they are Turkic languages. While the Samoyedic languages are in the Uralic group, they are so distant to Finnish that even Swedish and Greek are closer to each other.

The Finns, the people again, have arrived here before the proto-Uralic language did, as there are archealogical finds that the first inhabitants of Finland came here around 9000 years BC during the Mesolithic era. Proto-Uralic languages are believed to originated only from 4000 BC.

Your "Altai-Samoyed" theory is simply false. So is the stupid assumption that Finns would be "Asian". Most likely the Finns came from... Ukraine, along with half of Europe, the other half coming from Spain. (Ice Age refugias.)
You are confusing Finns with the Hungarian migration, which can be at least somehow traced back to the 10th century. Finns have been here much longer than Hungarians have been at the banks of Danube.

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Old 10-11-2015, 01:24 PM
 
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Russians are known for receiving information about how a machine works... and then, after five hours, they explain to you that the machine works the same way he thought...which was the way explained by you.... but incorporating the same false and idiotic ideas. They haven't change an iota with the end of communism or whatever government that tries to civilize their tataric souls.
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Old 10-11-2015, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Finland
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Russians are known for receiving information about how a machine works... and then, after five hours, they explain to you that the machine works the same way he thought...which was the way explained by you.... but incorporating the same false and idiotic ideas. They haven't change an iota with the end of communism or whatever government that tries to civilize their tataric souls.
Yesterday you were lumping up Finns with Russians like we would have something in common, but now you have turned your coat completely? So how will it be?
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Old 10-11-2015, 01:39 PM
 
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Andropov, he certainly was Russian, and he was the most idiotic president the USSR had.
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Old 10-12-2015, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Somewhere flat in Mississippi
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Nice was Italian for most of its history and was annexed by France in 1859 and then "frenchised", Garibaldi was born there and he wasn't for sure French.

So it isn't a "Nice" place anymore?

Is southern France poorer than northern France?
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Old 10-12-2015, 01:53 PM
 
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Is southern France poorer than northern France?
No.
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Old 10-12-2015, 02:22 PM
 
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So it isn't a "Nice" place anymore?

Is southern France poorer than northern France?
maybe this could help Economie. Quelle région est la plus riche ? L'Ouest bien placée | Ouest France Entreprises
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Old 10-13-2015, 05:09 AM
 
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So it isn't a "Nice" place anymore?

Is southern France poorer than northern France?


I believe there was no Italy back then, so it was probably part of some realm I don't quite know, savoia, piedmont? I don't know. But personally, I don't think that Nice, Niça, etc, looks Italian. The promenade des anglais, the architecture... and the order, not an anarchic Italian city. Does not look like Italian cities just across the frontier, vintimiglia, etc. The main feature is that the city has been receiving tourists since the 18th century, English tourists, and in a way, my opinion, they somehow imprinted some character, the character of tipical luxury resorts but with palm trees..brighton, san sebastian, etc.

Montecarlo does not look very Italian either.
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