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Actually it is the richest country on earth. You are seriously arguing over data that is annually produced and verified by OECD, UN, and all the respected multinationals of the world?
Last edited by Rozenn; 02-01-2016 at 11:13 AM..
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That the US have done far more damages to the world in the last 25 years than Russia, especially if you value stability: does this justify Russian 'invasions'?
No, but the US are far worse and they have done much more damage.
OK, and? Let's indulge in your fantasies, and agree that the U.S. is the worst country in world history, and Obama, for some bizarre reason, makes Hitler and Stalin look like Mother Theresa, according to you. Could you explain the relevance in the context of this thread?
Last edited by Rozenn; 02-01-2016 at 11:13 AM..
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Russia still has some remains of the impressive technological legacy of the USSR (mainly in the military and airspace fields) but you can only go for so long on stuff developed in the 80s. There was really nothing new coming out of Russia since the Soviet Union fell.
The estimate that I read was that during the oil market high, Russia had received about $2.5 trillion in oil money. With over half of that being net income.
So they had a tremendous opportunity to invest in other sectors of their industry.
Unfortunately it seems that money and that opportunity was wasted
It only took 20 years for China to go from a dark hole on the map to becoming the world's factory.
It took about 15 years for Hyundai to go from being a low cost low quality vehicle manufacturer to becoming a major competitor to the Western and Japanese car companies. Russia certainly had enough money and time to build their own Hyundai.
Mr Putin & his entourage need to be fired. They suck in running the economy and they won't let more qualified people run it.
Obama and Bush would equally suck in running the economy but luckily they don't get to.
Then it's a completely stupid point, because the U.S. has nothing to do with Russia's behavior.
So far you are the one that makes plenty of "stupid points."
Of course Russia's "behavior" has anything and everything to do with the US *behavior."
It is not Russia that pulls the strings behind the scene, it's not Russia that is trying to buy the whole world and submit it under its own dominance, trying to eliminate Russia in a process as "inconvenience" to this goal of world domination.
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The U.S. could be 1000x worse than Stalin or Hitler and it would still not give Putin an excuse to kill his own people, engage in breathtaking corruption, or invade foreign countries.
The US was the one to help to establish this very corruption in Russia, that you are crying about. That Putin is in charge of Russia and Russians are supporting him - is the direct result of American policies. So don't you cry your crocodile tears about "Russians killed by Putin." As for "invasions" - what's good for the goose is good for the gander. If the US can do it, so can everyone else.
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Again, the U.S. has ZERO to do with the discussion.
The US has anything and everything to do with the discussion. Because even your accusations of Russia "invading foreign countries" has anything and everything with the US sticking its nose into Ukraine.
If it were a "European affair," one can only wonder what was Nuland doing in Kiev?
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Any mention of other countries in the context of this thread discussion means you are simply parroting the mindless propaganda of the butchers in the Kremlin.
And you would like to see everyone parroting your pro-US propaganda?
It ain't going to happen)))
OK, and? Let's indulge in your fantasies, and agree that the U.S. is the worst country in world history, and Obama, for some bizarre reason, makes Hitler and Stalin look like Mother Theresa, according to you. Could you explain the relevance in the context of this thread?
Fantasies?
lol, don't think to be an authority because as a non-American and non-Russian I am certainly less biased and more impartial than you.
Second, nobody is justifying anything and your same argument suggests how weak your arguments are: to sum the Russian foreign policy up to 'invasions of neighbouring countries and imperialism' is an argument that 12 years old kid would bring forth so not really relevant to the thread either.
Thirdly, most of my points are in response to the assertions you made and are connected with the thread because the fracking oil and the imminent probably economic crisis are very related to Russian economy.
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Reason: Orphaned
Russia still has some remains of the impressive technological legacy of the USSR (mainly in the military and airspace fields) but you can only go for so long on stuff developed in the 80s. There was really nothing new coming out of Russia since the Soviet Union fell.
And it won't. That was the whole design of the nineties - to kill any potential of Russia, to turn it into the appendix for natural resources and market for Chinese goods, made by American corporations.
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The estimate that I read was that during the oil market high, Russia had received about $2.5 trillion in oil money. With over half of that being net income.
So they had a tremendous opportunity to invest in other sectors of their industry.
They did, but the people in charge hinged themselves to "American success" and invested money in American papers instead, hoping that their "sovereign fund" they created, will help them to weather the storm ( if the economy will take the down turn) and to still stay in power this way. ( Because the economic instability in the long run could have put their political dominance at risk.)
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It only took 20 years for China to go from a dark hole on the map to becoming the world's factory.
It took about 15 years for Hyundai to go from being a low cost low quality vehicle manufacturer to becoming a major competitor to the Western and Japanese car companies. Russia certainly had enough money and time to build their own Hyundai.
Russians are not Chinese; they don't need the place of someone else's "factory."
They are perfectly capable of creation of their own technologies and so on.
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Mr Putin & his entourage need to be fired. They suck in running the economy and they won't let more qualified people run it.
Yes, it's true. What Russia needs instead, is the nationalists to come to power, to unhinge ruble from dollar, to shut down each and every hole helping to move money from Russia to Western banks, and overall to do a lot of things that bolsheviks did after the 1917. With other words, Russia needs to offset a lot of damages that has been done to her in the nineties, that still keep on destroying her economic and human potential. But I am afraid there is no time left for it any longer. That's why I can foresee Russia turning into the destructive tool for the West. Putin will not have too many choices left, even though I would think he'd still prefer to remain on "friendly terms" with the West, when his daughters ( I'm sure) as much as the rest of the children of his upper class enjoyed the lavish style of life in Europe and the US, while convincing the rest of population of their "patriotic duties."
So far you are the one that makes plenty of "stupid points."
Of course Russia's "behavior" has anything and everything to do with the US *behavior."
It is not Russia that pulls the strings behind the scene, it's not Russia that is trying to buy the whole world and submit it under its own dominance, trying to eliminate Russia in a process as "inconvenience" to this goal of world domination.
The US was the one to help to establish this very corruption in Russia, that you are crying about. That Putin is in charge of Russia and Russians are supporting him - is the direct result of American policies. So don't you cry your crocodile tears about "Russians killed by Putin." As for "invasions" - what's good for the goose is good for the gander. If the US can do it, so can everyone else.
The US has anything and everything to do with the discussion. Because even your accusations of Russia "invading foreign countries" has anything and everything with the US sticking its nose into Ukraine.
If it were a "European affair," one can only wonder what was Nuland doing in Kiev?
And you would like to see everyone parroting your pro-US propaganda?
It ain't going to happen)))
If there ever was going to be a "counter-US" force in the world today - it sure will not be anything coming from Russia.
Kremls self-enlightened role as a counterweight to anything influenced by the US - is simply a bizzare and freak notion developed by Putin and friends to take away focus on own short-comings.
No nation on the planet wants to be caught in bed with Russians..except for panicking dictators on already sinking ships.
If there ever was going to be a "counter-US" force in the world today - it sure will not be anything coming from Russia.
Kremls self-enlightened role as a counterweight to anything influenced by the US - is simply a bizzare and freak notion developed by Putin and friends to take away focus on own short-comings.
That's your wishful thinking. In the age of nuclear weapons Russia is perfectly equipped to control the US.
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No nation on the planet wants to be caught in bed with Russians..except for panicking dictators on already sinking ships.
You'd be surprised to learn how many nations will be willing to play a different game, demanding the "bigger share of the pie" or simply "feeling betrayed" by the US. ( I am talking Arab countries first of all.)
Actually it is the richest country on earth. You are seriously arguing over data that is annually produced and verified by OECD, UN, and all the respected multinationals of the world?
Sorry, the World Bank, UN, etc. do not rate the US as the richest. And it depends on what measure you use, as well.
Most indebted nations: 1. US (With over 3 times the debt of the next country on the list. And no, it's not due to the US being a much larger nation.)
Richest nations by per-capita GDP:
1. Qatar
2. Luxembourg
3. Singapore
4. Brunei
5. Kuwait
6. Norway
7. United Arab Emirates
8. San Marino
9. Switzerland
10. Hong Kong.
Richest nations by GDP: 1. China
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As for "invasions" - what's good for the goose is good for the gander. If the US can do it, so can everyone else. 
