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Old 02-13-2016, 06:11 AM
 
Location: Russia
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The Russians got the abilities in the late 1980s and the early 1990s :
- to buy cars and computers (washers, TV-sets etc). They can't do it earlier because of deficit or very high prices;
- to travel around the world and to study other countries;
- to buy food they like without queues.
In early 1990s food without queue?

In early 90th I was little and my parents sent me stand in the queue for bread every day (I should have bought one "black" loaf and two long "white" loaf for tea). It took about an hour. The queue at this magazine began from here.

And this is one of the reasons why Russians support Putin.
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Old 02-14-2016, 03:45 AM
 
Location: Kharkiv, Ukraine
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In early 1990s food without queue?
In the early 90 russians stood in queue not for bread, and for cheap state bread when normal people bought tasty bread in private bakeries without queues. Queue this extremely Soviet phenomenon which proceeded after disorder of the Soviet on the rests of this Soviet.

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And this is one of the reasons why Russians support Putin.
Silly Russian do not know elementary laws of Economy and continue to trust Putin's words.
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Old 02-14-2016, 05:57 AM
 
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In the early 90 russians stood in queue not for bread, and for cheap state bread when normal people bought tasty bread in private bakeries without queues. Queue this extremely Soviet phenomenon which proceeded after disorder of the Soviet on the rests of this Soviet.
No, it was the usual bread from the local Bread Factory, which has already become private at the time (privatization). Actually, privatization was the cause of the deficit, because the production chains were broken.

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Silly Russian do not know elementary laws of Economy and continue to trust Putin's words.
While clever Ukrainians are already in the European Union?
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Old 02-15-2016, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Kharkiv, Ukraine
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No, it was the usual bread from the local Bread Factory, which has already become private at the time (privatization). Actually, privatization was the cause of the deficit, because the production chains were broken.
The only reason for the queues was that of producing bread in the factory was not profitable. When in the mid-90s price came to the market level, the queue disappeared.

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While clever Ukrainians are already in the European Union?
Membership in EU is not an end in itself.
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Old 02-15-2016, 11:45 PM
 
Location: Russia
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The only reason for the queues was that of producing bread in the factory was not profitable. When in the mid-90s price came to the market level, the queue disappeared.
It was not the only reason. Manufacturing is a complex process that requires a lot of materials. Materials are purchased from suppliers. Manufacturing begins to fail, when suppliers are fighting with each other to resolve matter "who has the right to possess property of the state."

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Membership in EU is not an end in itself.
Membership in EU is main slogan of of the Maidan, isn't it?
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Old 02-15-2016, 11:58 PM
 
Location: Russia
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The Russians hate 90's for several reasons:
- state ownership was given to private owners for a pittance;
- manufacturing plants have been violated due to the destruction of chains;
- degradation of the police and gangster lawlessness;
- standard of living has plummeted.
Positive factors was also available (for example, transition to the market economy, destruction of the state ideology etc.). But it had to be done on other way, such as in China.
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Old 02-16-2016, 12:16 AM
 
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And by the way, it's the reason why Khodorkovsky (or someone like him) will never be the president of the Russian Federation. It is impossible, because he participated in the privatization. He will not receive support from the majority of Russians.
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Old 02-22-2016, 03:06 AM
 
Location: Manila
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And by the way, it's the reason why Khodorkovsky (or someone like him) will never be the president of the Russian Federation. It is impossible, because he participated in the privatization. He will not receive support from the majority of Russians.
And there's the inconvenient fact he's got close ties with the US government and the like - which guarantees him being a political leper as far as most Russians are concerned! So long as people old enough to remember the horrible 1990s are still alive (which will be the case for at least a couple of generations), pro-western "liberals" will NEVER run Russia!
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