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Old 02-04-2016, 12:01 AM
 
Location: Europe
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Originally Posted by erasure View Post
But why?
Their unions ( marriages) are "still-born" to begin with.
They can't produce any children.
Why should they have someone else's children?

Why should not a kid get right to have parents if own cannot take care? Should kids leave and let them die? Nobody is going to steal kids from good parents and give them to gays. It is counted as a need that kid has, adoption is dor kids needs to have parents, not only peoples needs to have kids.

Why hetero couple which cannot produce own children should have adoption children? What traits makes a person good parent? It is eggs and semen or is it brain that is able to give love and rise kids live with societys rules but having the happiest and fullest life?

How come some parents can have babies and they beat them to death, abuse their kids or alcohol or drugs and sometimes die and there is kids who have no parents to raise or they cannot raise their kids and so this kids needs adoption.

Not all adoption parents are automaticly good parents either and some sadly do it just to get money. Is the quality of the human personality and being treated most best ways more important to this kid who is without shelder and guiding?

Also there is ways to make "own" kids or half own kids by lending half of the stuff from someone else. And a never can be 100% self made, it always need in any case, someone who is giving the other half. Nobody can produce kids alone!

Why it should matter if in these high divorcing rate countries babies are made by who ever, kids will not see the other part in all cases anyway. How single parents home would be any better? And "a model of man and woman" I can tell there are lot of kids with traumas of each gender got by home that it would be better to have 2 nice moms than evil traumatic dad or vice versa. Not all hetero couples are happy and stable.

Is not 2 parents who are there and stable and wise to guide a child the main goal?
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Old 02-04-2016, 12:39 AM
 
Location: Estonia
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Why should not a kid get right to have parents if own cannot take care? Should kids leave and let them die? Nobody is going to steal kids from good parents and give them to gays. It is counted as a need that kid has, adoption is dor kids needs to have parents, not only peoples needs to have kids.

Why hetero couple which cannot produce own children should have adoption children? What traits makes a person good parent? It is eggs and semen or is it brain that is able to give love and rise kids live with societys rules but having the happiest and fullest life?

How come some parents can have babies and they beat them to death, abuse their kids or alcohol or drugs and sometimes die and there is kids who have no parents to raise or they cannot raise their kids and so this kids needs adoption.

Not all adoption parents are automaticly good parents either and some sadly do it just to get money. Is the quality of the human personality and being treated most best ways more important to this kid who is without shelder and guiding?

Also there is ways to make "own" kids or half own kids by lending half of the stuff from someone else. And a never can be 100% self made, it always need in any case, someone who is giving the other half. Nobody can produce kids alone!

Why it should matter if in these high divorcing rate countries babies are made by who ever, kids will not see the other part in all cases anyway. How single parents home would be any better? And "a model of man and woman" I can tell there are lot of kids with traumas of each gender got by home that it would be better to have 2 nice moms than evil traumatic dad or vice versa. Not all hetero couples are happy and stable.

Is not 2 parents who are there and stable and wise to guide a child the main goal?
I agree with you, if I was a younger child without parents living in an orphanage I'd rather live with two loving and caring mommies or daddies rather than alone even if that would mean that I would be bullied by some people.

But gurl, you gotta work on your English.
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Old 02-04-2016, 02:23 AM
 
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In France, mostly negative; fact is, very few gay couples got "married" since the same sex marriage law was voted in 2013. But the anti gay marriage militants are only a -vocal - minority. What's interesting is that many on the hard Left and the Communists are against allowing surrogate motherhood, so it's not exclusively a conservative religious theme.
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Old 02-04-2016, 02:30 AM
 
Location: Minsk, Belarus
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^

The ex Soviet Bloc will catch up eventually. And it will go quite fast.
I am not so sure, really. Here many people who are in general quite "progressive" and pro-European are against gay marriages and stuff. They may tell you how good Europe is, bla bla, but if you tell them about gays, they will lower their voice and say: "right, with gays they are going way too far..."
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Old 02-04-2016, 03:00 AM
 
Location: Finland
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I am not so sure, really. Here many people who are in general quite "progressive" and pro-European are against gay marriages and stuff. They may tell you how good Europe is, bla bla, but if you tell them about gays, they will lower their voice and say: "right, with gays they are going way too far..."
Yes, but it can change still quite fast, ideas do that these days. In 1970 it was a crime in Finland to have gay sex, next year we have gay adoption.
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Old 02-04-2016, 03:05 AM
 
Location: Europe
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But gurl, you gotta work on your English.

You are free to teach me.
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Old 02-04-2016, 03:09 AM
 
Location: Taipei
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In France, mostly negative; fact is, very few gay couples got "married" since the same sex marriage law was voted in 2013. But the anti gay marriage militants are only a -vocal - minority. What's interesting is that many on the hard Left and the Communists are against allowing surrogate motherhood, so it's not exclusively a conservative religious theme.
Mostly negative in France? Only in your social circle or in general? If it's the former then I'm not surprised. Who would want to hang out with a narrow-minded bigot if you're not one yourself?

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In 2013, following the implementation of same-sex marriage laws in France that went into effect on 29 May, approximately 7,000 same-sex couples legally married in the nation. These unions made up around 3% of all marriages in France in that time, with three out of every five same-sex marriages involving male couples rather than female couples.
3% is not a lot, but far from "very few" I'd say.

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A May-June 2015 Eurobarometer found that 71% of French thought that same-sex marriage should be allowed throughout Europe, 24% were against.
A June 2015 BVA poll found that 67% of respondents were in favour of same-sex marriage, 57% were in favour adoption rights for same-sex couples and 64% were against revising the 2013 law.
Mostly negative...in your day dreams?
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Old 02-04-2016, 04:03 AM
 
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But why?
Their unions ( marriages) are "still-born" to begin with.
They can't produce any children.
Why should they have someone else's children?

We have same sex marriage in Spain, why stillborn?
We do not live in an agrarian society anymore whose finality was to bear children to work on land.
I know women that are married that have beautiful children though insemination.
There are many married man with children, either through a rented womb, which is illegal in Spain but not in the US.
I'm not progressive or leftist, I just hate church meddling into people's life.
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Old 02-04-2016, 04:32 AM
 
Location: Europe
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Here the opinion is generally good... if it is bad people can be angry with you lol.
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Old 02-04-2016, 06:12 AM
 
Location: Minsk, Belarus
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Here the opinion is generally good... if it is bad people can be angry with you lol.
Why can't a person freely express his opinion if he is against gay marriage/adoption?
This is also a violation of freedom.
And as I can see in the West only one point of view is promoted and imposed. If you disagree, people will be angry. Is it freedom? Or the result of mass brainwashing/manipulation?
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