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Yes, but it can change still quite fast, ideas do that these days. In 1970 it was a crime in Finland to have gay sex, next year we have gay adoption.
Lol, I am afraid even to imagine what you will have by 2040.
and in general for us it's kind of weird that you guys in the West care about those kind of minorities so much.
here most people just don't care, their attitude is passive-negative, so to say. "Why should we make such a hype about those perverts", this is the idea.
What I hate is the so-called religious right that are influenced by priests.
They give a bad name to the right.
I find disgusting to hear a priest, that suposedly has no sexual experience, telling men and women what to do with their reproductive organs..!!!
Ariete, it was also a crime here in 1977.
Why can't a person freely express his opinion if he is against gay marriage/adoption?
This is also a violation of freedom.
And as I can see in the West only one point of view is promoted and imposed. If you disagree, people will be angry. Is it freedom? Or the result of mass brainwashing/manipulation?
No one's violating your freedom to speak by just getting angry at your opinion.
They would be if they reacted by beating you, which doesn't happen.
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and in general for us it's kind of weird that you guys in the West care about those kind of minorities so much.
You'd have an easier time understanding it if you viewed them as human beings.
Why can't a person freely express his opinion if he is against gay marriage/adoption?
This is also a violation of freedom.
And as I can see in the West only one point of view is promoted and imposed. If you disagree, people will be angry. Is it freedom? Or the result of mass brainwashing/manipulation?
Of course a person can freely express his opinion if he is against gay marriage/adoption, no one is gonna put you into jail if you do that.
But people might not want to talk to you and find you a horrible person.
Lol, I am afraid even to imagine what you will have by 2040.
and in general for us it's kind of weird that you guys in the West care about those kind of minorities so much.
here most people just don't care, their attitude is passive-negative, so to say. "Why should we make such a hype about those perverts", this is the idea.
Then some wonder why eastern Europeans are sometimes looked down on.
Then some wonder why eastern Europeans are sometimes looked down on.
Well yes but that's the way people here are.
You know what, we are maybe less tolerant to gays but we are more tolerant to different opinions about them.
You may say that you don't like gays, that they are perverts, or the other way round, that you support them, and people will not find you a horrible person.
People here do tolerate gays, even if they find them perverts. But we find that the whole gay topic in the West is blown way out of proportion. This hype and aggressive promotion of certain values annoy people. It looks artificial.
However there are also different opinions. There's a joke that here we have many same-sex families anyway - families consisting of a child, his mom and grandmom...
Well yes but that's the way people here are.
You know what, we are maybe less tolerant to gays but we are more tolerant to different opinions about them.
You may say that you don't like gays, that they are perverts, or the other way round, that you support them, and people will not find you a horrible person.
People here do tolerate gays, even if they find them perverts. But we find that the whole gay topic in the West is blown way out of proportion. This hype and aggressive promotion of certain values annoy people. It looks artificial.
However there are also different opinions. There's a joke that here we have many same-sex families anyway - families consisting of a child, his mom and grandmom...
I don't see what is good about your claim that your society is more tolerant of intollerance.
Your societies association with gays being perverts is backwards. I doubt any gay people are asking random people from the public at large to witness their sexual acts that are engaged in privacy, in order to recruit you.
I doubt any gay people are asking random people from public at large to witness their sexual acts that are engaged in privacy, in order to recruit you.
Hello, do you have a moment to talk about gay sex?
Why should not a kid get right to have parents if own cannot take care? Should kids leave and let them die? Nobody is going to steal kids from good parents and give them to gays. It is counted as a need that kid has, adoption is dor kids needs to have parents, not only peoples needs to have kids.
Adoption is for kids who needs parents? Why can't they be adopted by hetero couples?
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Why hetero couple which cannot produce own children should have adoption children?
Because ORIGINALLY hetero couples are set to have children. Home couples - never, because from biological point of view they are not capable of it. It's that simple.
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What traits makes a person good parent?
All children are different, so there is no one answer for all.
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It is eggs and semen or is it brain that is able to give love and rise kids live with societys rules but having the happiest and fullest life?
That's too broad definition.
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How come some parents can have babies and they beat them to death, abuse their kids or alcohol or drugs and sometimes die and there is kids who have no parents to raise or they cannot raise their kids and so this kids needs adoption.
How come there is life and death, wars and starvation on earth? How come we are not living in "forever fairy-tale land?"
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Not all adoption parents are automaticly good parents either and some sadly do it just to get money. Is the quality of the human personality and being treated most best ways more important to this kid who is without shelder and guiding?
That's too simplistic approach, since "love and guiding" includes a lot of things, the formation of the "soul" so to speak from early childhood on, that includes the relations with opposite sex.
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Also there is ways to make "own" kids or half own kids by lending half of the stuff from someone else. And a never can be 100% self made, it always need in any case, someone who is giving the other half. Nobody can produce kids alone!
That's the whole point. Children are produced as the result of union between two different sexes. Not the same sexes.
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Why it should matter if in these high divorcing rate countries babies are made by who ever, kids will not see the other part in all cases anyway. How single parents home would be any better? And "a model of man and woman" I can tell there are lot of kids with traumas of each gender got by home that it would be better to have 2 nice moms than evil traumatic dad or vice versa. Not all hetero couples are happy and stable.
I didn't say anything yet about the "single parent household" - hetero and homo alike.
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Is not 2 parents who are there and stable and wise to guide a child the main goal?
Two hetero parents - yes.
Two homo parents - I think not.
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