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Old 02-04-2016, 11:05 AM
 
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Two homo parents - I think not.

What are your worries what comes to 2 moms or 2 dads? What could go wrong what could not go wrong with original parents or with hetero adopting parents?

Where is the difference?
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Old 02-04-2016, 11:06 AM
 
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Adoption is for kids who needs parents? Why can't they be adopted by hetero couples?

Because ORIGINALLY hetero couples are set to have children. Home couples - never, because from biological point of view they are not capable of it. It's that simple.

All children are different, so there is no one answer for all.

That's too broad definition.

How come there is life and death, wars and starvation on earth? How come we are not living in "forever fairy-tale land?"

That's too simplistic approach, since "love and guiding" includes a lot of things, the formation of the "soul" so to speak from early childhood on, that includes the relations with opposite sex.

That's the whole point. Children are produced as the result of union between two different sexes. Not the same sexes.

I didn't say anything yet about the "single parent household" - hetero and homo alike.

Two hetero parents - yes.
Two homo parents - I think not.
In this regard you're merely stating an opinion and as such, asking the children involved after they've grown would be of far more relevance. Any bets as to THEIR opinion?
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Old 02-04-2016, 11:10 AM
 
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What are your worries what comes to 2 moms or 2 dads? What could go wrong what could not go wrong with original parents or with hetero adopting parents?

Where is the difference?
The difference is man ( or woman) playing the wrong role in the family.
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Old 02-04-2016, 11:14 AM
 
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In this regard you're merely stating an opinion and as such, asking the children involved after they've grown would be of far more relevance. Any bets as to THEIR opinion?
Of course I am stating my own opinion. Whose else?

I would have seriously considered THEIR opinions, if they'd had an opinion while having an experience of their lives in two versions; one - being raised in hetero family; the other one - in homo family.
But since you have only ONE kind of experience, you don't know what you might be missing.
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Old 02-04-2016, 11:18 AM
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The difference is man ( or woman) playing the wrong role in the family.

This is actually funny so you think that if two men are married one plays the role of the wife and mother. It doesn't sound like you know any same sex couples. There are some male same sex couples in which both are quite masculine and enjoy the stero typical macho male activities. The same with female couples there is a huge range.
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Old 02-04-2016, 11:20 AM
 
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Of course I am stating my own opinion. Whose else?

I would have seriously considered THEIR opinions, if they'd had an opinion while having an experience of their lives in two versions; one - being raised in hetero family; the other one - in homo family.
But since you have only ONE kind of experience, you don't know what you might be missing.
So if you did not live at both you practically cannot say you would have knowledge to make righteous dedicion what would be best for the kids.

Or are you raised in gay family and somewhat bitter thinking that hetero family instead would lead you into a perfect person?
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Old 02-04-2016, 11:24 AM
 
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This is actually funny so you think that if two men are married one plays the role of the wife and mother. It doesn't sound like you know any same sex couples.
Yes, that would be my assumption. ( Just thinking about one particular couple I know.) Isn't it what the "family" is supposed to be all about?

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There are some male same sex couples in which both are quite masculine and enjoy the stero typical macho male activities. The same with female couples there is a huge range.
Then this kind of arrangements are even MORE WRONG from the psychological point of view when it comes to child's development. (Now from the point of view of the homosexual couple and what suits THEIR NEEDS - by all means. I have no objections here.)
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Old 02-04-2016, 11:29 AM
 
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So if you did not live at both you practically cannot say you would have knowledge to make righteous dedicion what would be best for the kids.
I am sorry, I follow the common sense here; two people of different gender were MEANT to have children. Two people of the same gander WERE NOT.
Why should I worry about an absence of experience being raised by people who were never meant to have children to begin with?

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Or are you raised in gay family and somewhat bitter thinking that hetero family instead would lead you into a perfect person?
What's a "perfect person?" Do you know?

( And no, I haven't been raised by a homo couple.)

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Old 02-04-2016, 11:38 AM
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Yes, that would be my assumption. ( Just thinking about one particular couple I know.) Isn't it what the "family" is supposed to be all about?



Then this kind of arrangements are even MORE WRONG from the psychological point of view when it comes to child's development. (Now from the point of view of the homosexual couple and what suits THEIR NEEDS - by all means. I have no objections here.)

Okay as long as you recognize that you are familiar with only one same sex couple. If you are asking me about roles I think it is appropriate for both parents to be involved in the upbring and nurturing of a child how the roles are divided is entirely personal.

Regarding the seconds point you make I realize that is your belief however what facts are you basing your beliefs on?
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Old 02-04-2016, 11:40 AM
 
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But we find that the whole gay topic in the West is blown way out of proportion. This hype and aggressive promotion of certain values annoy people. It looks artificial.
That's because the ex USSR don't have the tradition of free speech and open debate about everything. Well, Belarus still doesn't. Also due to the fact that in the USSR the gay issue was completely wiped under the mat. In official USSR policy homosexuality didn't exist.

Reflecting to this, I'm not surprised about the attitude. As before 1992 almost for anyone being gay was something totally alien, you might get the impression that 'gayness' is something which has spread from Western Europe since the fall of the Soviet Union, because you didn't "have" it before, not to mention anyone talked about it.

We here in the West always knew that we had gays, and with time we started to tolerate them better. We noticed they are like anyone else, they just have a different sexual orientation. For you it might sound like a "hype", but for us it's just a normal free speech discourse.

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Okay as long as you recognize that you are familiar with only one same sex couple. If you are asking me about roles I think it is appropriate for both parents to be involved in the upbring and nurturing of a child how the roles are divided is entirely personal.

Regarding the seconds point you make I realize that is your belief however what facts are you basing your beliefs on?
For Russkies the roles in the family is that the woman cooks, cleans, takes care of the children and have a manicure, while men drink vodka, take care of the finances, fight for the family's "honour" and beat up his wife once in a while so that the sl*t learns her place.

It's a waste of time trying to educate these old-school Russians lobotomised with Soviet propaganda.
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