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It doesn't. We've gone past the age of Empires and a more balanced geopolitical system is finally emerging. Anyway, it could be said that European block as a whole can be identified as a modern successor of the Roman Empire, given that modern European society has slowly evolved from its ashes
Tonight, former Italian PM Prodi (on eof the few decent ones we had, i'd add) made an appearance at a talk show, he's credited for being the one who paved the way for entry into the Euro and he's said that in the early 00s there was a balance between UK, France, Germany and Italy but that this balance has gone missing because UK has inexplicably given up, Italy had to face serious economical problems until recently and that France has had weak political figures.
I think he's been spot on, we do need to play a larger role but so do Spain, UK and France. I think Renzi is going in the right way as he's challenging EU establishment on several measures and is seemingly successful
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Originally Posted by bale002
That's quite funny. Come to think of it, the EU does more look like the farcical HRE than the Roman Empire.
In the industrial era, the Italians had their chance to play a bigger role in the 1922-1941 period, but they chose the wrong ally.
Since then, as a whole, the Italians consistently choose mediocrity, it's safer.
Good Luck!
Rather be mediocre than nationalistic and a cruel regime such as Italy was during that one. Italians haven't chosen for mediocrity, it's just that they have been faced with a loss after WWII and have never been in the condition to get back up until the late 70s which is the only they made the wrong choice not electing Berlinguer and deciding to have the country slowly being ****ed over by Andreotti and his allies instead
I think they are very creative, talented and great people.
Actually industrial wise they would smoke Germans and French as well.
But it seems they are waiting for something.
They need to boost their confidence.
Remember Alfa Romeo!!!
That's true. We are very indecise and pessimistic in nature but that's what you get after decades of mistrust in politics and economy. It will take only a decade of decent management to finally see a rise in hope and confidence
We weren't the wealthiest country four centuries ago, we weren't even a country and we were far from being a wealthy one in European context, in fact i'm pretty sure Spain (due to the discovery of gold in its colonies), France and UK were wealthier due to trading advantages.
Swaths of ITaly (basically Veneto, Tuscany, Emilia Romagna, Liguria and Lombardy) were the wealthiest states in the world only in the late middle ages and in Renaissance but once Columbus (ironically, a Genovese) discovered a new land, our merchants had no access to the new goods those countries could bring.
As for obesity rates, it's one of the lowest in the developed world
It doesn't. We've gone past the age of Empires and a more balanced geopolitical system is finally emerging. Anyway, it could be said that European block as a whole can be identified as a modern successor of the Roman Empire, given that modern European society has slowly evolved from its ashes
It is very unlikely he was Genovese there is much more evidence to indicate he was of Sephardic Jewish ancestry.
Tonight, former Italian PM Prodi (one of the few decent ones we had, I'd add) made an appearance at a talk show, he's credited for being the one who paved the way for entry into the Euro
Interesting to note, Romano Prodi was the last chief executive of the Italian military/industrial complex founded in 1936. In fact, much of Italy's economic and financial infrastructure was put in place in the 1930s, survived the 1940s mostly intact, did quite well in the 1950s-1980s, and lasted until the early 1990s.
Equally interesting to note is that Mr Prodi was brought down by your boy Bertinotti who subsequently left politics. Isn't that hilarious?
F a u s t o ... I like the way that sounds.
In the meantime, the euro is nothing to brag credit about: equally hilarious, since the "reforms" of the early 1990s and joining the euro, the Italian economy has basically not grown at all.
Talk show indeed.
So we look at the results, Niccolò, we look at the results.
Look, I wish Renzi success and I appreciate his economic policy challenges in the face of the EU Commission and its paymasters on the Council. But in the end, we look at the results, Niccolò, we look at the results.
Interesting to note, Romano Prodi was the last chief executive of the Italian military/industrial complex founded in 1936. In fact, much of Italy's economic and financial infrastructure was put in place in the 1930s, survived the 1940s mostly intact, did quite well in the 1950s-1980s, and lasted until the early 1990s.
Equally interesting to note is that Mr Prodi was brought down by your boy Bertinotti who subsequently left politics. Isn't that hilarious?
F a u s t o ... I like the way that sounds.
In the meantime, the euro is nothing to brag credit about: equally hilarious, since the "reforms" of the early 1990s and joining the euro, the Italian economy has basically not grown at all.
Talk show indeed.
So we look at the results, Niccolò, we look at the results.
Look, I wish Renzi success and I appreciate his economic policy challenges in the face of the EU Commission and its paymasters on the Council. But in the end, we look at the results, Niccolò, we look at the results.
Good Luck!
I hear a lot of Italians like Prodi but he was working at Goldman Sachs.
Not good.
So you say he pulled a Machiavelli
Renzi is facing big challenges cause things he wants to change are all up to EU unfortunately.
I hear a lot of Italians like Prodi but he was working at Goldman Sachs.
So you say he pulled a Machiavelli
I like Prodi too, a very serious, intelligent man with a nice, easygoing personality. But I am also saying that he, part of the industrial-military-financial complex like so many others, is like, well, so many others.
And I am saying the we judge leaders/policymakers based on actual results.
On that basis he is, well, like so many others, and with mediocre results, at best, for Italy since the 1990s, a decade that began with so much promise. In the event, the euro has proved nothing.
But a return to the lira would also probably prove nothing, so the prognosis is for another decade, at least, of stagnation and decline.
Good Luck!
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