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Old 02-18-2016, 03:48 PM
 
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Europe will compete with China.

Just Euro needs to be devalued massively

We are already competing with China, Japan, the U.S. and all other countries. And the Euro absolutely don't need a devaluation. The Eurozone already has a huge current account surplus. The Eurozone is very competitive. The growth is weak because the countries try to reduce the deficits. And they have some success by doing this. About 200bn Euro new debt in 2015, that's about 2% of GDP, compared to about 780bn USD new debt in the U.S. (about 4.5% of GDP).
The problem is, that some countries need a weaker Euro, whereas other countries need a stronger Euro. That's indeed a big problem.

Eurostat - Tables, Graphs and Maps Interface (TGM) table
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Old 02-18-2016, 03:53 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in Southern Italy
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That's not beneficial in any way to European countries, the shorter the working days the higher the productivity and the least the working hours are the more the employed will be. A rise in working hours would cause a rise of unemployment which is the last thing any government wants to happen given that the higher the unemployment will be the higher the discontent and the chance of losing next elections.


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Europe will compete with China.

Just Euro needs to be devalued massively
It's China that needs to catch to European countries, sooner or later those men and women who work their ass off for hours on end in the Chinese industries will rebel in the same way our ancestors have done in the past. The Chinese government will finally have to concede more and more rights to the workers and finally catch up with Europe on this kind of matter.
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Old 02-18-2016, 04:31 PM
 
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We are already competing with China, Japan, the U.S. and all other countries. And the Euro absolutely don't need a devaluation. The Eurozone already has a huge current account surplus. The Eurozone is very competitive. The growth is weak because the countries try to reduce the deficits. And they have some success by doing this. About 200bn Euro new debt in 2015, that's about 2% of GDP, compared to about 780bn USD new debt in the U.S. (about 4.5% of GDP).
The problem is, that some countries need a weaker Euro, whereas other countries need a stronger Euro. That's indeed a big problem.

Eurostat - Tables, Graphs and Maps Interface (TGM) table
That's another option.

There can be two Euros.

Cheap and expensive.
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Old 02-18-2016, 04:36 PM
 
Location: Bologna, Italy
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more work, same pay (or pretty much). Decades of social progress slowly going down the drain.
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Old 02-18-2016, 04:40 PM
 
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more work, same pay (or pretty much). Decades of social progress slowly going down the drain.
Unfortunately.

It doesn't work that way anymore

You need massive inventions and technology to support growth.

Since this is not happening, you have to cut back

This is all natural.
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Old 02-18-2016, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Bologna, Italy
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Unfortunately.

It doesn't work that way anymore

You need massive inventions and technology to support growth.

Since this is not happening, you have to cut back

This is all natural.
Great. More work, less pay. I should have been born 50 years ago.
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Old 02-18-2016, 04:45 PM
 
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Great. More work, less pay. I should have been born 50 years ago.
I wish that too.

Get a HS diploma and decent paying factory jobs are plenty

Buy a house and car very cheaply and retire
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Old 02-18-2016, 04:52 PM
 
Location: Bologna, Italy
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I am actually finishing a university degree since jobs are a joke here otherwise. Hope it will help a bit.
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Old 02-18-2016, 09:05 PM
 
Location: Slovakia
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I think Europe will eventually catch up.

How working life in France is set to change (for the worse?) - The Local

Europeans are working less now.

I'm not in favor of working to death but it seems whole world will adapt to this.

Also i think Scandinavian countries will modify their model as well

Working French ? Lol
I remember this one
U.S. CEO to France: ‘How Stupid Do You Think We Are?’ - Corporate Intelligence - WSJ

so I think it really doesn't matter how long they are going to stand, talk, smoke and eat in their work, they are for sure not dying to "work their socks off" in France, I would say that only a very few people in so called Western Europe know what does it mean actually work and present their outcomes/achievements.
And that's also a reason why many companies leaving to the US or China because the working culture in these countries still requires employee to actually work.
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Old 02-19-2016, 12:14 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Europe will only change if they feel they have to in order to compete but I think they have proven that they can compete at least in many of the Euro countries. Some countries, Greece for instance, needs a devalued Euro to be competitive but some countries, Germany for example, does not and in fact profits from the Euro being devalued by the southern Euro countries.

In most cases, you will see higher productivity per hour the less number of hours worked, as you increase hours over 40, there is a marked decrease in productivity.
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