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It is not just a million spread out amongst 500 million. Just one million alone arrived in Germany in 2015. IN ONE YEAR. Germany has had 80 million people and a big part of those 80 million aren't Germans anyway.
About 1.1m people were registered, but many of them just crossed through Germany to get to Scandinavia or the Netherlands. And many of them don't get Asyl in Germany and will return to their home country. No one knows at the moment how many refugees actually live in Germany.
It's also not the first mass immigration influx we have seen in Germany. Even without any immigration the percentage of native Germans will decline. Just look at these figures from Düsseldorf for 2010:
Among those under 6 years old, 55% have an immigration background, 45% are native Germans.
Among those above 80 years old, 14% have an immigration background, 86% are native Germans.
But will a child, born in Germany, parents have immigrated from Turkey 15 years ago, be less German than a native German? Are the people in the Ruhr area Germans or are they Polish?
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Go there in May. Germany will change A LOT in the future, so go there asap before the big changes start.
Germany is constantly changing. That is not a new development.
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Lost of more security personnell everywhere.
Not many happy people.
Hostility.
lots of trash everywhere
It's absurd that we will see significant more security personnell. The percentage of people with an immigratoin background is costantly rising, but the number of police officers is declining. Also violent crimes drops from year to year. It's proven that the second generation of immigrants aren't more criminal than native Germans.
Your other points are also absurd. Yes, it will take time to integrate all those people. And yes there will be a lot of tensions. But it has worked with all those conservative people that came in the 60s from rural Turkish areas. And it will also work with the current immigration influx.
My parents in Germany live near a small refugee camp. They say they see people poop on the side of the streets and eating fruits and veggies in the stores without paying. And that's just how it is. My nieces (teenagers) don't use public transportation anymore because of men hitting on them and trying to touch. Bycicles get stolen, women offended and overall everything has changed. But you are not allowed to think anything bad because you don't want to sound like a nazi.
The experiences of your parents are quite different to the experiences I have made. In Düsseldorf we have more than 50 refugees accomodations throughout the city. All refugees I have met so far were all nice and grateful. Refugees eating fruits in stores without paying sounds so unlikely to me. Relatives live in an apartment building. In the adjacent apartment building live 50 refugees from Syria for more than a year now. Without any problems.
Sorry for saying this, but you and your parents sound like those rightwing Pegida or AFD supporter. As a German I definitely prefer to live near a refugee accomodation than to live near a Pegida or AFD supporter.
I don't say that there are no problems. There are quite a lot of problems and to integrate all those refugees will be very challenging. But it's not the first time that we have such an immigration influx. I'm more concerned about arson attacks against refugee shelters than about pooping refugees.
When people here Germany or wherever is 55% foreign born, people like me freak because I feel like that's a death of German culture. I mean this seriously, so is what 20 ish years German is just like an arab country? It's no more Germany as you know it. With all these immigrants to white countries it's a death to European culture. That's why it's sad. That's why people don't like it. I live by TONS of foreigners and I use to live in a basically all white community. I moved away from where I live now then moved back a few years ago. The area changed dramatically. The culture where I live now is VERY diffrent. It's sad, I feel like it isn't my home anymore. I feel like it's a foreign place. I feel like it isn't MY culture anymore, it's like you don't belong but have no where else you could go. Doesn't anyone else feel this way?
Oh no, half of Toronto's population is foreign born, that must surely seal the death of Canadian culture, no more maple syrup, hockey, Canadian football, ecc. And surely the city must be on his way to complete collapse ........................................ ..................................... oh wait no, it actually is the wealthiest city in the whole of Canada, the main financial center in the country and a city that has benefitted from migratory waves
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A white Christian German has most likely more in common with a Muslim Syrian immigrant that lives for ten years in Germany than with a white Christian American that never lived in Germany.
Right so, and even without living ten years in Germany. I was in Syria before the war, and people were western, they called themseeves "Roman" which was partly right. Heavy drinkers, non religious government at that time. I went to visit Santa Tecla, which is the patron of my town. The monastery was Mar Taqla as it was fun, as was visited ny christians and muslims, as many temples there. I suppose they might have suffered a lot.
Syrians are caucasians, they also have blonde people which they attribute to crusaders.
Is simply took advantage of political instability and managed to gain as much as half of the country's territory mostly due to how well organizated it was and due to alliances with local tribes over economical affairs.
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So pretty much what I've been woried about you say has already happened... If race is insignificant like everyone says, then why did this happen? If it was more Germans it wouldn't have happened.... I've just noticed as I get older races do have differences, of course take people at face value tho!
No, race doesn't matter in the least bit. First of all, races don't exist, there's one of them and it's called the human race. It would be more appropriate to talk of ethnicities but even then there's no correlation between ethnicity and crime. There may be a large difference in crime rates between certain ethnicities but that's mostly tied to culture, discrimination, wealthness, social position, ecc.
I mean, because a place has always been dirty, one must cope with grit forever ?
Or because the US ghettoes are worse, one should be contented with what we have in Paris?
I guess politically you are a liberal, but when it comes to public sanitation all your ideas of progress surprinsingly don't apply anymore because there are "other agendas" at hand ; you insult my intelligence here...
If you're travelling to Paris in this period, do join the japanese team that is cleaning the Streets of Paris because my fellow Frenchmen are unable to clean up their act in front of the Opera sunday March 20th at 3:OO PM. I'll be there too.
I didn't say that those were not a problem, I said that you were mixing different issues.
What does the dirtiness of Paris has to do with the current migrant crisis? Nothing.
The migrant crisis has begun last year and all the problems you are describing are several decades old.
That's here we have the big question, what does mean not affected by influx of migrants into Europe?
Not affected by the current migrant crisis or with very few non-european immigrants? Because it is not the same.
Paris, 20 years or 30 years or 40 years ago was already a very multicultural city with many minorities and non-european immigrants.
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They are comparing those people from Syria and elsewhere with that they call "hoods". So they can't conceive educated and civil people (most of them), white people (more than Americans) and non-confrontational people with no saturday nigh special, no crack heads, no attitudes.
They also have the religious stuff in their heads, because some of them are even more secular than most of Syrians.
@ Minatu : you sure understand that if the problem is already 30/40 years old , adding thousands poor foreigners with "problematic" lifestyles every year to a megalopolis that is already bursting at the seams will in no way help bring solutions. Or do you believe that adding ghetto to ghetto is a recipe for success and progress ?
Germany has no other choice but to encourage immigration. They have not enough children. 70% of their economy is small middelstand manufacturers... they need people to work there or they are dead in the water. The Germany economy was worse than Greece until about 15 years ago. The Turks integrated better than expected, considering it's Germany we're talking about here. Not exactly a culture that's easy to adopt.
No reason to think Syrians will be worse than the Turks. Syria had been a highly organized and urban civilization for 1000 years during a time period germans were still living in grass huts and eating each other. If you compare the history of Germany to Syria and how much trouble Germany caused Europe the past century ... which group is really the one comprised of troublesome savages?
As for France, well if they didn't want north africans in Paris, perhaps they should have thought about that before annexing Algeria and making it part of France for 100 years.
What's the most hilarious though is Americans worrying about any of this. Americans... who fought the Germans to rid them of their racialist dictator... now worried about the European purity of Germany. "Freedom Fries" Americans worried about preserving the culture of France. Americans... who disrupted the middle east, CAUSING the refugee crisis... now worried about the aftermath... across the sea in EUROPE. LOL.
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Germany has no other choice but to encourage immigration. They have not enough children. 70% of their economy is small middelstand manufacturers... they need people to work there or they are dead in the water. The Germany economy was worse than Greece until about 15 years ago. The Turks integrated better than expected, considering it's Germany we're talking about here. Not exactly a culture that's easy to adopt.
No reason to think Syrians will be worse than the Turks. Syria had been a highly organized and urban civilization for 1000 years during a time period germans were still living in grass huts and eating each other. If you compare the history of Germany to Syria and how much trouble Germany caused Europe the past century ... which group is really the one comprised of troublesome savages?
As for France, well if they didn't want north africans in Paris, perhaps they should have thought about that before annexing Algeria and making it part of France for 100 years.
What's the most hilarious though is Americans worrying about any of this. Americans... who fought the Germans to rid them of their racialist dictator... now worried about the European purity of Germany. "Freedom Fries" Americans worried about preserving the culture of France. Americans... who disrupted the middle east, CAUSING the refugee crisis... now worried about the aftermath... across the sea in EUROPE. LOL.
Or the could encourage child birth so Germany will still stay a German christan country!
No, Germany (and the other EU countries) have another, more noble choice : to preserve its own culture and environment, even if it means degrowth (which will be unavoidable anyway with Peak Oil and Peak Resources), creating a new model of society not based on conspicuous consumption and destruction of the environment-a destruction that is accelerated by the importation of millions of new mouths to feed.house, and provide jobs for. A recipe for disaster.
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And surely the city must be on his way to complete collapse 
