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And yet The Paris bombers and Brussells bombers were "second generation" from more or less "good families," who were somehow radicalized against the countries that gave them everything in favor of their great-grandparents loyalties.
At least the sub-Saharan Christians have some cultural similarities. But Europe is going to have to have a real conversation about what it wants its population to reflect in the next few decades. Japan has the best idea. They have resigned themselves to a lower population and "economic growth" in favor of preserving their culture and people. Automation instead of imported slave labor. Slow and measured immigration. Expectations on immigrants, and zero tolerance for non-assimilation.
Mutti Merkel's "come as you are" approach is disastrous and is encouraging third world immigration. Take it from the US, that is NOT what you want and does NOT help your standard of living.
The Paris and Brussels attackers were from the second generation but not everyone in the second generation is of course going to assimilate but the majority still did. Neighbourhoods such as Molenbeek were the exceptions due to lack of control from the State (they didn't control who frequented the local Mosques for example nor did they address the problem of the locals and nor did they act to stop the white flight from there) with the neighbourhood just being abandoned to itself.
Twenty people who haven't integrated and went on to create problems such as these attackers get noticed, the two thousands who go on with their lives and who are as European as us aren't
This may be true but you are talking about a handful of people here, just because there are Americans prepared to go into a school and start shooting random kids doesn't mean that all Americans are gun toting maniacs. There is a problem with terrorism yes, there are problems with 'some' immigrants within Europe (and other parts of the world) yes but its hardly Armageddon, I do agree however that Merkel has screwed up but there again Germany is not Europe, rather one only of many European countries.
Stop equating gun violence in the US with terrorism and ideology driven radicalism. Not the same, at all.
Europeans are so quick to charge "fascist!" and "Nazi" to anyone who is trying to warn that it is literally importing these ideologies under another name badge: Islamism. ISLAMism is the problem here. The refusal to call a spade a spade is the problem here.
Stop equating gun violence in the US with terrorism and ideology driven radicalism. Not the same, at all.
Europeans are so quick to charge "fascist!" and "Nazi" to anyone who is trying to warn that it is literally importing these ideologies under another name badge: Islamism. ISLAMism is the problem here. The refusal to call a spade a spade is the problem here.
No, the problem isn't only Islamism. Xenophobia and Racism as well as the USA's and several European countries foreign policies are what's cause this rise in Fundamentalist Islam. In fact, we should stop pretending that words don't create problems, they can hurt as much as acts.
Constantly discriminating against an immigrant won't drive him away but will probably turn him away from our culture, make him more comfortable in his own bubble and make him susceptible to extreme movements such as Wahhabism and Salafism
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Stop equating gun violence in the US with terrorism and ideology driven radicalism. Not the same, at all.
Europeans are so quick to charge "fascist!" and "Nazi" to anyone who is trying to warn that it is literally importing these ideologies under another name badge: Islamism. ISLAMism is the problem here. The refusal to call a spade a spade is the problem here.
I didn't equate gun violence with terrorism, I equated the fact that both the maniac that wields the gun in the schools and the 'terrorists' are both minorities and you can't just paint everybody that owns a gun in the US or every Muslim with the same brush.
No, the problem isn't only Islamism. Xenophobia and Racism as well as the USA's and several European countries foreign policies are what's cause this rise in Fundamentalist Islam. In fact, we should stop pretending that words don't create problems, they can hurt as much as acts.
Constantly discriminating against an immigrant won't drive him away but will probably turn him away from our culture, make him more comfortable in his own bubble and make him susceptible to extreme movements such as Wahhabism and Salafism
Oh yes. You're right. I'm sure xenophobia and racism is also why Islamism's prime targets in the Middle East are Muslims that look just like them.
Or how xenophobia and racism causes Islamists in Nigeria to commit terror. Or in the Philippines.
Islam is not a race. It's a religion. It's a political ideology. You do not need to defer to it, accommodate it, or think it's good. Indeed, numerous polls of Muslims in the west are not encouraging as to their attitudes of the west and whether THEY even think their religion is compatible with western values.
I didn't equate gun violence with terrorism, I equated the fact that both the maniac that wields the gun in the schools and the 'terrorists' are both minorities and you can't just paint everybody that owns a gun in the US or every Muslim with the same brush.
... and not all Nazis supported the gas chambers or genocide, either. But....
Are you actually equating everyday Muslims with Nazis!!
Well, that actually wasn't the point. But now that you mention it... Islam is a supremacist ideology that outwardly declares that it seeks domination across the world and second class status of non-Muslims, wallows in pageantry and outward displays of faith, forbids intermarry and mixing with the local populations and wallows in tribalism.... so......
Oh yes. You're right. I'm sure xenophobia and racism is also why Islamism's prime targets in the Middle East are Muslims that look just like them.
Or how xenophobia and racism causes Islamists in Nigeria to commit terror. Or in the Philippines.
Islam is not a race. It's a religion. It's a political ideology. You do not need to defer to it, accommodate it, or think it's good. Indeed, numerous polls of Muslims in the west are not encouraging as to their attitudes of the west and whether THEY even think their religion is compatible with western values.
We're talking about second generation immigrants in Europe. Yet like a true populist you move your attention to elsewhere. Anyway, there's no denying that Islam is a religious doctrine that's being used for political means. It officially isn't a political ideology but just like the Bible it can be.
I want to point out that there are several version fo Islam, amongst which extremist ones account for about 10% of Muslims around the world
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