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Old 06-04-2016, 04:00 PM
 
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If you are on 3rd grade, and I am on 8th grade, why shouldn't I teach you? Don't take this as condescending, but why shouldn't Russians learn from more civilized societies?

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Russia would, but US just does not fit into the profile of more "civilized", more like otherwise.

You guys behave like wild animals with rabies, nuking people in Japan, burning them with napalm in Vietnam, shooting radioactive shells in Iraq - these are all signs of degradation, and a nation which should be isolated and punished and may be treated with some sedatives or anti-schizophrenia drugs, instead of trying to teach others how to live.

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Old 06-04-2016, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Russia
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Lenin's October Revolution stumped Russia's transition from an agrarian / feudal society into an industrialized / Capitalist society. This is Lenin's own analysis BTW.
Lenin's October Revolution was mistake. It's opinion of most Russians.

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Perestroika tried to re-start this transition, but Russia remains autocratic, and tentative in transitioning into a pluralistic / free society.
Russia's authoritarian capitalist country with elements of democracy. That's not bad for Russia.

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Nevertheless, when you claim that your thinking is representative of what other 150 millions Russians think, it is "scary" whether you're wrong or right.
I did not say that. But this song really reflects the modern Russian society. "RABFAQ" is Russian "Charlene Hebdo" in music.
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Old 06-04-2016, 04:19 PM
 
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Lenin's October Revolution was mistake. It's opinion of most Russians.


Not really, it was well prepared and financed by Germans, and executed by mostly Jewish revolutionaries.
Germans thought they would weaken Russia, instead Russia turned into USSR and became western nightmare.

Germans are stupid as most Westerners, and with enormous god's complex, that's why they are dangerous.
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Old 06-04-2016, 04:30 PM
 
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Not really, it was well prepared and financed by Germans, and executed by mostly Jewish revolutionaries.
Yes, and it harmed to the Russia.

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Germans are stupid as most Westerners, and with enormous god's complex, that's why they are dangerous.

I think not. WWII has damaged psyche of the Germans. They feel guilty for what they allowed Nazism. While they will not recover from this feeling they will be puppets of the United States. Merkel carries out any orders from the US, which are contrary to the national interests of Germany.
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Old 06-04-2016, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Ubique
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Russia would, but US just does not fit into the profile of more "civilized", more like otherwise.

You guys behave like wild animals with rabies, nuking people in Japan, burning them with napalm in Vietnam, shooting radioactive shells in Iraq - these are all signs of degradation, and a nation which should be isolated and punished and may be treated with some sedatives or anti-schizophrenia drugs, instead of trying to teach others how to live.
If we are so bad why did the Japanese or Vietnamese want to come here?

Although there can be 6 billion opinions on America in the world, fact is that people have voted with their feet for the last 100 years-- people go where it's best for them and their families. And that's America. I don't see people rushing to go to Russia.

Fact is that except 2 or 3 communist hold-out countries, like Cuba or Venezuela -- nobody wants to get near Russia. Actually Cuban people swim 50 miles in shark-infested waters, risk their lives to escape to America.

Whatever your beef is, facts are against you.
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Old 06-04-2016, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Ubique
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Lenin's October Revolution was mistake.
I also agree. But it does not change the fact.
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Old 06-04-2016, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Ubique
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I think not. WWII has damaged psyche of the Germans. They feel guilty for what they allowed Nazism. While they will not recover from this feeling they will be puppets of the United States. Merkel carries out any orders from the US, which are contrary to the national interests of Germany.
US provides and pays for Germany's defense, which allows Germany to spend money on its own social programs instead.

Think of it this way -- you live in your parents' house, and they pay for your housing, shelter, bills, etc. Since you don't pay for this, you can buy a BMW for yourself. In exchange you have to do some things that your parents want you to do.

Or you can choose to move to your own apartment and own a Lada instead.
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Old 06-04-2016, 04:52 PM
 
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I also agree. But it does not change the fact.
Russia is moving forward. This is the main fact.
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Old 06-04-2016, 05:09 PM
 
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In classical liberal terms, it's actually the other way around.

In "classical liberal terms" laissez-faire capitalism already proved itself as a total failure during the age of the Great Depression. So who cares about the "classical liberal terms?" According to these "terms" formulated in the 1700ies, the morons a la Gaidar and Chubais in Russia are "liberals" too. But they have nothing to do with the practical meaning of this word, the way it's used in the 2000ies in America.


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What you write is in lockstep with Lenin's theory of Imperialism --

http://www.amazon.com/Imperialism-Hi...+of+Capitalism
As I've said - I've never read Lenin and not going to change my habits now, however when I read the reviews there - ( to quote one of them - )

"Lenin believes, again rightfully so, that members of an industrial and productive monopoly will begin to sit on the board of directors, intermingle with, and holds strong ties, with monopoly banks, or those that garner profit via `Finance Capital.' Again, this is no surprise today. If you analyze who sits on the board of most of Wall Street's banks, along with GE, Lockheed Martin, Shell, etc, you'll find the same names cropping up. Thus, there is no real democracy in this `free market,' there is influence and oligarchy. A financial oligarchy to be precise."

it's difficult to argue with this observation. Things are coming to complete the full circle.
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Old 06-04-2016, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Ubique
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Russia is moving forward.
Economically Russia is not moving forward; it is stagnating. Russia Overview

Demographically, Russia is moving backwards: Russia's population in 2050 may shrink from 144 million to 113 million, or maybe as low as 100 million. Big economic problem. Russian Demographics: The Perfect Storm

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/artic...cows-baby-bust

What's worse is that the number of pretty Russians (ages 20-29) will shrink to 50% in 2050.
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