France. Immigration/ integration problems. We take what we want... (English, culture, move)

[citoyen]

Originally Posted by Qacer

OP, have you ever lived in Europe?

First, I think you've already formed your bias against immigrants. I gather this was probably shaped by the refugee in-flow in Europe, and automatically, blaming that event for crimes throughout the continent. The incident that you posted is not attributed to any immigrants or refugee. It is still under investigation, but yet, you jumped the gun. For all we know, these were just opportunistic youths, who took advantage of the World Cup celebrations to commit a crime. This is no different from USA youths looting stores. Here's the US version of the incident that you posted:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42943824

Where did you live in Germany?


You talk about it like it it was only was incident. It's not!
It's one more on a very long list.

[Back to NE]

Originally Posted by DUNNDFRNT

I called the content of your post xenophobic as in producing fear of people from other countries, which seemingly is the intent of your post.
What do random crimes have to do with immigrants, we know the following facts, immigrants dont commit crimes at a higher rate than the native population, just like with black people and white people once you normalize the crime rates with socio economic factors. Poor blacks commit as much crime as poor whites, immigrants commit as much crime as the natives.
At any rate, I have made a point to not engage in this type of conversations. I will vote for the candidate I prefer and thats it.

The OP is mirroring his president Donald Trump who cherry-picks every incident involving immigrants (or brown or black people) from around the world and magnifies them to promote fear, racism and xenophobia in the US and abroad.

The result would be more terrorism, more war and less cooperation among nations in dealing with the world's problems.

Fear, selfishness and xenophobia are the main characteristics of right-wing voters.

[citoyen]

Originally Posted by Back to NE

Fear, selfishness and xenophobia are the main characteristics of right-wing voters.

How do you explain that suddenly europeans peoples begone to be "Fear, selfishness and xenophobia"?


Because twenty years ago rights wing were inexistent in european politics. As euroopean media promote immigration all day long.
Why people start to dislike immigranrs if it's not for their behaviour?

[Back to NE]

Originally Posted by citoyen

How do you explain that suddenly europeans peoples begone to be "Fear, selfishness and xenophobia"?


Because twenty years ago rights wing were inexistent in european politics. As euroopean media promote immigration all day long.
Why people start to dislike immigranrs if it's not for their behaviour?

Not sure I'm understanding your spotty English. There is a long history of right wing movements in France and Europe, what are you talking about? Jean-Marie Le Pen had 22% favorability in 2002. The right-wing has unfortunately grown since but why? The behavior of immigrants if I take your word for it. Maybe it's that fear, selfishness and xenophobia overwhelming weak souls.

[citoyen]

Originally Posted by Back to NE

Not sure I'm understanding your spotty English. There is a long history of right wing movements in France and Europe, what are you talking about? Jean-Marie Le Pen had 22% favorability in 2002. The right-wing has unfortunately grown since but why? The behavior of immigrants if I take your word for it. Maybe it's that fear, selfishness and xenophobia overwhelming weak souls.

Many nationalists party in Europe didn't even exist 25 years ago, today they get many seat in parliament.

Maybe it's that fear, selfishness and xenophobia overwhelming weak souls

Yeah that must be it.
The daily riots, murders and attack from immigrants around Europe is a normal situation.
You remind me this:

[marlaver]

Originally Posted by pigeonhole

The game is over with France, my friends. I watch French TV Channels every day, and what is aired 24 / 24 is just unhinged propaganda in favour of unrestricted immigration. French nationals get that propaganda drilled into their skulls permanently. That can only lead to one result : the mass acceptation by French folks of the Great Replacement.

But if it weren't for that "Replacement", there wouldn't be ANY replacement at all in a lot of european countries and in France only partially, while its population would age fast irreversibly.

[beachmouse]

Originally Posted by Back to NE

Not sure I'm understanding your spotty English. There is a long history of right wing movements in France and Europe, what are you talking about? Jean-Marie Le Pen had 22% favorability in 2002. The right-wing has unfortunately grown since but why? The behavior of immigrants if I take your word for it. Maybe it's that fear, selfishness and xenophobia overwhelming weak souls.

In many places, it's people looking to lash out over stagnant economic times. The right seems to be particularly strong in old Warsaw Pact areas like Hungary or the DDR side of Germany that struggled to be competitive economic powers as capitalism got phased in and companies had to either improve to Western European standards or close shop.

[Turnerbro]

Originally Posted by citoyen

Many nationalists party in Europe didn't even exist 25 years ago, today they get many seat in parliament.








Yeah that must be it.
The daily riots, murders and attack from immigrants around Europe is a normal situation.
You remind me this:

Don't have too many of them in Doha either.

[pigeonhole]

Originally Posted by marlaver

But if it weren't for that "Replacement", there wouldn't be ANY replacement at all in a lot of european countries and in France only partially, while its population would age fast irreversibly.

Would that be that bad in a day and age when people live longer and in better health? think environment protection and overpopulation (we are already 7, 4 billion, and growing fast, on that small spaceship earth...)

[bentlebee]

Originally Posted by Back to NE

The OP is mirroring his president Donald Trump who cherry-picks every incident involving immigrants (or brown or black people) from around the world and magnifies them to promote fear, racism and xenophobia in the US and abroad.

The result would be more terrorism, more war and less cooperation among nations in dealing with the world's problems.

Fear, selfishness and xenophobia are the main characteristics of right-wing voters.

What a list of BS. You probably haven’t seen he news about daily cars yet on fire in Sweden, increase of rapes by migrants, the migrants who are now demanding sharia law and women not having rights in Western Europe!

Anti rape courses given in many countries!

I never seen any asylum seeker to assault, rape and commit all these crimes as is now going on in Europe. Usually asylum seekers are people in high need and highly appreciative for the help of another country.

These migrants are not appreciative but demanding more hand outs. Complaining they don’t get enough and for exchange of money they will gladly go back “home”.

That are not asylum seekers but bullies and liars