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First off, this shouldn't turn into "which is the most desirable immigrant group" type of thread. Hispanic street gangs don't blow themselves at Christmas markets, I won't deny that. That said, Islamic terrorist attacks are spectacular and are all over the news because they a religious/political connotation. If you sum up all the casualties resulting from Islamic terrorist activity (and not mentally ill individuals) perpetrated in the entire EU each year, (aside from the Bataclan attack), the death toll doesn't reach the double digits (aside from the Bataclan attack).
Don't get me wrong, it's terrible and shouldn't happen, any casualty is one too many. Nonetheless comparatively Mexican Central American gangs kill many more people in Los Angeles alone. The difference is that those are profit-driven homicides, it's common and old news therefore you won't see that on Fox News. Those so-called vatos don't kill for Allah or the Jihad, they do it for the profit, the "barrio" and the "razza". That's not necessarily better nor worse, IMO.
Of course the US has white domestic terrorists. Random white oriole will shoot up a synagogue or a church.
Of course the US has white domestic terrorists. Random white oriole will shoot up a synagogue or a church.
This. Most immigrants I know are fine and friendly people and look for work unlike some British people born into council estates looking to spend a life on benefits
Among the native European terrorist groups it's really only the IRA that killed innocent civiliians with some regularity. And even in their case it was often not the intent.
Among the native European terrorist groups it's really only the IRA that killed innocent civiliians with some regularity. And even in their case it was often not the intent.
Yes, the comparison with the IRA is a totally false equivalence on many levels. The IRA often took steps to prevent civilian casualties to their acts of terrorism -- e.g., phoning in a warning beforehand -- albeit not with complete perfection. This doesn't change the fact that they're criminals and terrorists. But, for the sake of illustration, it's the sort of thing that might justifiably serve as a mitigating factor in criminal sentencing over charges or terrorism. Even if you hate these Irish terrorists (and justifiably so, for relatives of victims, for example), you have to acknowledge that the recognition of this as a mitigating factor ultimately serves the interest of justice, itself.
In contrast, have any Islamic terrorists done anything similar? Not that I'm aware of.
As an additional factor, Islamic terrorism is in some ways a red herring. Yes, it's horrible in and of itself. But it's employed for the broader purpose of "jihad," which is fundamentally a desire to conquer and subjugate other peoples. As an additional factor, there is a political geography about Islamism that's totally unlike that of Irish insurrectionism. The Irish have really no broader purpose other than to drive out those they see as conquerors of their homeland. On the other hand, the Muslims control a large, populous landmass that is, in a geopolitical sense, a profound adversary of Western Civilization.
Among the native European terrorist groups it's really only the IRA that killed innocent civiliians with some regularity. And even in their case it was often not the intent.
It’s ridiculous you defend white People when they murder people. Murder and terrorism are wrong no matter who is involved.
Yes, the comparison with the IRA is a totally false equivalence on many levels. The IRA often took steps to prevent civilian casualties to their acts of terrorism -- e.g., phoning in a warning beforehand -- albeit not with complete perfection. This doesn't change the fact that they're criminals and terrorists. But, for the sake of illustration, it's the sort of thing that might justifiably serve as a mitigating factor in criminal sentencing over charges or terrorism. Even if you hate these Irish terrorists (and justifiably so, for relatives of victims, for example), you have to acknowledge that the recognition of this as a mitigating factor ultimately serves the interest of justice, itself.
In contrast, have any Islamic terrorists done anything similar? Not that I'm aware of.
As an additional factor, Islamic terrorism is in some ways a red herring. Yes, it's horrible in and of itself. But it's employed for the broader purpose of "jihad," which is fundamentally a desire to conquer and subjugate other peoples. As an additional factor, there is a political geography about Islamism that's totally unlike that of Irish insurrectionism. The Irish have really no broader purpose other than to drive out those they see as conquerors of their homeland. On the other hand, the Muslims control a large, populous landmass that is, in a geopolitical sense, a profound adversary of Western Civilization.
I think you've never heard of "Action Directe" in France and "Brigate Rosse" in Italy. Have you heard of the Bologna station bombing that killed 80 people in the 80's? How about the anarchist bombing attacks that were common in the late 19th and early 20th century? In fact, European history is full of terrorist attacks perpetrated by people from all different ideologies. Islam is just the "new kid on the block".
I think you've never heard of "Action Directe" in France and "Brigate Rosse" in Italy. Have you heard of the Bologna station bombing that killed 80 people in the 80's? How about the anarchist bombing attacks that were common in the late 19th and early 20th century? In fact, European history is full of terrorist attacks perpetrated by people from all different ideologies. Islam is just the "new kid on the block".
He does have a point though that the objectives and usual modus operandi of Islamic terrorists are different from the native European terrorist groups.
Obviously I am not going to cheer killing police officers, soldiers, politicians or judges, or anyone for that matter, but this is quite different than mostly targeting innocent people going about their daily business - including children.
It’s ridiculous you defend white People when they murder people. Murder and terrorism are wrong no matter who is involved.
In spite of what some Americans seem to think, not everything is always about race and "white people" vs. everyone else.
Some Islamic terrorists are indeed "white" in appearance and even more of them aren't really much more visibly "non-white" than people native to southern parts of Italy and Spain.
BTW while I probably look "white" to most people I am not even totally European in origin and you might be surprised at what some of those origins are.
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