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I really hope countries like Poland, Romania, and of course Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania are never going into World War III against Russia. Looks like there is no other choice, but just refrain from some actions. A bit more conservative. While remaining supportive enough allies to Ukraine. Be careful.
Otherwise, all Europe countries except for Belarus, and USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand are going to make this not real atrocity of Russia just stop very early before too much problems. Probably just have to overthrow some corners of the Russia governing system minus some pathetic monsters that have to get maliciously arrested or assasinated. Just the beginning of unbearable misery, and tortures to those rejects that ruined their own Russia.
I really hope countries like Poland, Romania, and of course Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania are never going into World War III against Russia. Looks like there is no other choice, but just refrain from some actions. A bit more conservative. While remaining supportive enough allies to Ukraine. Be careful.
Estonia, of all countries, is now calling for a no-fly zone over Ukraine.
Let's see if this becomes a domino effect across NATO.
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Estonia, of all countries, is now calling for a no-fly zone over Ukraine.
Let's see if this becomes a domino effect across NATO.
Ukraine is one of the best treasures in Europe. Almost a completely unkept secret exotic paradise. I wonder how much foreign people really are well aware of this occurrence. A lot have no idea. Ukraine is very affordable for foreign tourists to visit, and lots of massive Ukrainian cities much bigger than expensive Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania's own variants. I am a fan of Ukraine even better those countries. Probably equal preference with Poland, Romania, Italy(Even when overrated and not low cost for tourism). Maybe even compared to Italy, then.
Of course I am referring to the Ukraine from 1991 to 2013, and still up to 2021. Although, Ukraine already lost Crimea peninsula, parts of Donbass region without almost any trouble around 7 to 9 years close to one decade earlier much earlier in the 2000's. Absolutely every other spot in Ukraine remained solid for 80% to 97% of entire territory to respect in correct alliance.
Absolutely everyone that visited Ukraine as a foreigner must have loved their own past experience. (Please tell us in Online Posts if you are one of those lucky people to have experienced such a fair exotic republic!)Quite rare for Europe to be such a minimal cost bargain. Especially when someone goes to Western Europe.
Ukraine wasn't ever supposed to get attacked that violently. Never outside of Luhansk, Donetsk. Which the Russia army isn't even really entering that much compared to the outsider regions.
I believe NATO countries, other Allies are able to overthrow Russia quite fast. And early. Without too much conflict in their own republics. Although, still too risky. So, peaceful sanctions forms of mediation is probably the solution.
Didn't ever think there was ever side of Russia this evil, or foolish delusional without merit to the legitimate rational. Obnoxiously far off from what is real.
Estonia, of all countries, is now calling for a no-fly zone over Ukraine.
Let's see if this becomes a domino effect across NATO.
Estonia asks because they know they won't receive. It's a political device for their own public's consumption as few outside Estonia care about what Estonia requests in these matters.
There's only one government that matters when it comes to this question, and it's the one a few miles down the road from me.
And here this seems like the sort of thing where Republicans in opposition are happy to call for it - knowing they don't have to make the decision and always prone to a bit of war fever - but the government itself isn't really in the mood to be the one known for moving the country to the brink of full-scale war with a nuclear-armed Russia.
A no-fly zone would essentially bring us to that point where you're standing on the edge without a rope and you can see the abyss right ahead of you. All posturing aside, I don't think anyone outside the Zelensky household thinks Ukraine is worth it.
NATO is so passe,there is no more USSR .
Get rid of NATO .
An odd statement to make considering that Ukraine, the only country in the area that didn't join NATO is now under attack by members of the former USSR.
Except for Estonia, Lativa and Lithuania, any former USSR countries should not join NATO.
Do you want to risk a nuclear war with mighty Botox Vlad over Estonia? Really? Are you sure? What sense does it make? Looks like USA greenlighted the slaughter of Ukrainians in the name of non escalation, all you can kill buffet. But what does make 1.3 millions of Estonians so much more special to deny Vlad his slaughter rights? Do you really want to get pulverized over 1 millions of Estonians? Just give Vlad what he wants and live, do not risk it.
Do you want to risk a nuclear war with mighty Botox Vlad over Estonia? Really? Are you sure? What sense does it make? Looks like USA greenlighted the slaughter of Ukrainians in the name of non escalation, all you can kill buffet. But what does make 1.3 millions of Estonians so much more special to deny Vlad his slaughter rights? Do you really want to get pulverized over 1 millions of Estonians? Just give Vlad what he wants and live, do not risk it.
Well Ukraine is much more closely culturally related to Russia and a much higher number of native Russian speakers than the Baltic republics. Plus Estonia and Latvia were independent republics the same time as Poland did, yet after the USSR invaded the Baltic Republics WW2 they became part of the USSR. Many countries around the world did see those countries illegally occupied by the USSR.
The Baltic republics are functioning democracies and the living standards of ethnic Russians there are generally better than Russia and Ukraine itself and it is even less problems with corruption too.
In an ideal world Ukraine should have followed Finland path after WW2 and became neutral.
Well Ukraine is much more closely culturally related to Russia and a much higher number of native Russian speakers than the Baltic republics. Plus Estonia and Latvia were independent republics the same time as Poland did, yet after the USSR invaded the Baltic Republics WW2 they became part of the USSR. Many countries around the world did see those countries illegally occupied by the USSR.
The Baltic republics are functioning democracies and the living standards of ethnic Russians there are generally better than Russia and Ukraine itself and it is even less problems with corruption too.
In an ideal world Ukraine should have followed Finland path after WW2 and became neutral.
So you are willing to get pulverized for 1 millions of Estonians because allegedly they make a few pesos more than Ukrainians and their Russian population is seduced by higher pay checks to cause trouble (yet they still cause trouble once in a while)? Where is logic in that? Estonia has 5th column and it has plenty of ties to Russian/Soviet Empires. You are willing to stand up to the mighty Botox Vlad and risk it all if average income is $(insert here) and functional democracy meet your standards (whatever that means). That is some serious stand up comedian stuff.
Btw, Finland has far fewer ties to the Muscovite/Russian/Soviet Empire than Estonia has, it has higher income than Estonia and it does not have 5th Russian column to boot. Where is your neutrality logic here?
Well Ukraine is much more closely culturally related to Russia and a much higher number of native Russian speakers than the Baltic republics. Plus Estonia and Latvia were independent republics the same time as Poland did, yet after the USSR invaded the Baltic Republics WW2 they became part of the USSR. Many countries around the world did see those countries illegally occupied by the USSR.
The Baltic republics are functioning democracies and the living standards of ethnic Russians there are generally better than Russia and Ukraine itself and it is even less problems with corruption too.
In an ideal world Ukraine should have followed Finland path after WW2 and became neutral.
How could Ukraine have done that when they were part of the Soviet Union until 1991?
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