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Old 05-11-2012, 08:46 AM
 
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Then you are pretty much agreeing with Mikeyking's post ? It is not as easy for some people to create a calorie deficit because their caloric needs are low to begin with...
Yes, but they exacerbate that with poor eating habits and lack of exercise.
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Old 05-11-2012, 11:34 AM
 
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I agree with this. Caloric needs vary from person to person.

Take any 10 people of the same height/weight, feed them the same food and have them exercise the same amount and some will lose weight, some will gain, some will stay the same. Our bodies are not mass produced machines with matching metabolisms...
I do think many health and fitness/diet people give out generic advice, just work out 5 days a week and eat healthy - mainly that applies to themselves and their body type without any actual experience of being obese, without any actual knowledge of a person's metabolism - Just Pseudo fitness and nutrition expertise, reading about as opposed to actually measuring the amount of calories burned in exercises by person, the person's metabolism - Actually working the persons Basic Metabolic Rate - measuring the amount of calories required, and working exactly what the person needs to lose weight.

If you look at many successful diet/exercise programs like weightwatchers, Jenny Craig, or even high protein diets there effectively eating more protein to feel fuller but with less calories - when you get past all the the fluff they are a 1200 - 1500 calories per day diet - over a long period your body has to shed fat.

Ignore all the Pseudo health and fitness people - focus on the numbers(calories) - while getting a balanced diet.
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Old 05-11-2012, 01:35 PM
 
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Yes, but they exacerbate that with poor eating habits and lack of exercise.
True enough.
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Old 05-11-2012, 01:42 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Then you are pretty much agreeing with Mikeyking's post ? It is not as easy for some people to create a calorie deficit because their caloric needs are low to begin with...
if your needs are low, then it should be easy to eat less. its very easy to lose weight until you get to a low bodyfat.
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Old 05-11-2012, 01:44 PM
 
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I do think many health and fitness/diet people give out generic advice, just work out 5 days a week and eat healthy - mainly that applies to themselves and their body type without any actual experience of being obese, without any actual knowledge of a person's metabolism - Just Pseudo fitness and nutrition expertise, reading about as opposed to actually measuring the amount of calories burned in exercises by person, the person's metabolism - Actually working the persons Basic Metabolic Rate - measuring the amount of calories required, and working exactly what the person needs to lose weight.

If you look at many successful diet/exercise programs like weightwatchers, Jenny Craig, or even high protein diets there effectively eating more protein to feel fuller but with less calories - when you get past all the the fluff they are a 1200 - 1500 calories per day diet - over a long period your body has to shed fat.

Ignore all the Pseudo health and fitness people - focus on the numbers(calories) - while getting a balanced diet.
To hear some folks (many of them health professionals) talk, all you've got to do is look at a generic height/weight chart to know what a person's BMR is, how many calories they need to eat, etc. Too bad it isn't that simple...I agree with you that a more personalized approach would be nice.

In the meantime, I think the 1200-1500 cal approach works fine. Just make sure every bite is as nutritious as possible.

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Old 05-11-2012, 01:48 PM
 
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if your needs are low, then it should be easy to eat less. its very easy to lose weight until you get to a low bodyfat.
Now that I have some muscle on my body I'm finding it easier to lose the weight. It isn't falling off the way it used to do when I was younger, but it is coming off.

In my case at least, it is *much* easier to lose weight now that I'm in better shape.
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Old 05-11-2012, 02:19 PM
 
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its also easier when i dont eat that first reeses peanut butter cup. no matter how many times i tell myself "just one" it always ends up being more than that. its just self control, has nothing to do with needs.
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Old 05-11-2012, 02:41 PM
 
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its also easier when i dont eat that first reeses peanut butter cup. no matter how many times i tell myself "just one" it always ends up being more than that. its just self control, has nothing to do with needs.
I'm living with a houseful of active guys with jack rabbit metabolisms (and I cook for them!). Trust me, if I did not have a great deal of self control I would not be losing weight now...
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