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...And martial arts comes into play because according to crossfit, and from what I've seen of the crossfit games, they have things like, and here is where this exercise would be beneficial in a real world situation, and I'm like that is so incredibly specific it would never happen. Like a martial artist who can only block a punch if it delivered PRECISELY the right way...
You're misunderstanding the claims, then. What they about regarding "functional fitness" is that deadlifts and overhead presses carry over into the real world, where you have to pick things up or lift things over your head, much more than hamstring curls or biceps curls, etc.
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...And have I been to a crossfit gym? Nope...
I rest my case.
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...But unless the dozens of youtube clips I've seen, and the Crossfit games that occasionally gets played at the gym are all just tricks to make me THINK they have poor form, even the elite crossfitters, I'm pretty sure form means jack **** when it comes down to it with Crossfit...
Please post some example vids from the CrossFit Games.
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...And 150 bucks a month for a bunch of stuff that has no moving parts? For barbells? And kettlebells? Man, when has a barbell in the history of barbells, or dumbbells, or kettleballs, EVER broken, or even gotten damaged?...
Like Tom said - all the time. I've seen tons of broken bumper plates, jacked up barbells and broken kettlebells. Not to mention broken rowers, GHD rigs, etc. The only thing I've never seen broken in a CrossFit gym are the pull-up rigs.
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...You could join an equinox gym likely for less than they are charging. Gyms with, pools, and saunas, and sweat lodges, and TV's all over, even on the equipment, basketball courts, raquetball, just, you name it...
And if that's what I wanted, that's what I'd do. What is your point?
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Things that break and need repairing. New equipment. Treadmills, stair climbers, bikes, elipticals, rowing machines (crossfit has those I know) Arc Trainers, machines with cable. For way, way, WAY less than a crossfit gym.
And they have vastly bigger membership bases to pay for all that. Again, what's your point?
Well, to be honest I don't EVER condition. The only conditioning I do is occasional tire drags and cycling/walking (that's hardly conditioning).
Might try it out - but as of now, I don't really need it. That.. and I don't have any time for it! (Already work out 2x per day, 70hr a work week joob and finishing my Masters).
Yeah, I'm finding excuses not to do CF pretty much =)
lol.....I feel ya. If you get a chance, pick a workout that really appeals to you. You might like it, but you may not. there's something about doing an intense metcon while doing heavier explosive movement in them that is addicting....well, to me at least.
The form gets sloppy. A lot of momentum. A lot of jerking the weight. A lot of bouncing from the bottom. Especially with the oly lifts which is just a recipe for disaster. It's all about the numbers. No one in a Box will ever say, do as many as you can while maintaining proper form. Ever. I doubt those words ever have or ever will be said in relation to crossfit. Instead it's, do as many as possible in "X" seconds, no matter the quality.
how many CF gyms have you been in? If you only knew how off base you were, you would keep your trap shut, and quit making yourself look ignorant.
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And yea, you'll see a lot of **** poor form from bodybuilders, but it's dumb. No one encourages cheating. But with crossfit it's the name of the game. Because crossfit is the end unto itself. It's about doing crossfit. Getting as many reps doing crossfit circuit training preparing for imaginary scenarios where luckily, you do things EXACTLY like you did in your crossfit stuff. Like a "martial artist" who knows how to divert a punch provided it's with the left arm, from a specific height and angle, and they have to be positioned exactly right too.
refer to my reply from the last quote.
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The only thing I don't like about crossfit, aside from the cult like group think mentality and general elitist mentality some, but not most have, is the obsession with reps. Reps reps reps. You'll never see that with anything else. No other training method, no other sport puts so much emphasis on reps despite form. Crossfitters post time, and reps, not form.
sure, some workouts are about reps, but so what? Plus, I find it amusing and it shows your lack of understanding that you think time, reps, and form cant be accomplished together. me and hooligan can attest that that simply isnt true, and we've got the experience with CF to know. Also, how do you post form? Even Olympic lifters/powerlifters post reps(low obviously) and weight. you gonna knock them for not posting "form"?
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Oh, and the exorbitant cost. 250 bucks? Seriously? For what? A bunch of kettleballs?
Most CF's are usually in the $100-$150 range for an unlimited membership. Aside from paying for the space, and equipment, you are paying for a type of personal training. At some other gyms, you'll pay what some pay for CF, if a person opts for a personal trainer, when you also factor in the cost for the membership.
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Oh and again, the "coaches" at these places are often no better than the "trainers" you'll see at most gyms who have no idea what they are talking about.
what CF coaches and in what CF gym, do you have firsthand experience with this?
I think CF is an overrated trend and I refuse to pay for it. Why would you pay a hefty amount of money for that while you can pay 1/10th of the cost at your local gym and train yourself. Motivation, people!
Why would you care what other people pay their money for?
This is the thing!
You'd never catch me adopting a bodybuilding routine, because it doesn't line up with my goals. You'll also never see me running down people that *DO* want to be bodybuilders and, as such, are following a bodybuilding routine. Neither would I care how much they were paying for gear/supplements/food/gym membership/whatever, in an attempt to attain their goals.
Now, if people want to talk about specific "Is CrossFit good for....?" type scenarios, I'm all for it. However, for anyone to say "CrossFit is bad because of X, Y and Z" without knowing what my goals are, is beyond silly.
Tom wants to be a competitive Oly lifter - so, I would never advocate concentrating on CrossFit type workouts for him. It's far from ideal for his goals.
I found this interesting video yesterday. The CF gyms I have been in contact with are very focused on form. I realize that many are not. Those of you who are into form will notice the difference between these 2 lifters right away, while I had to read the comments.
Best snatch of 66kg @ 84 BW is really awful though.
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