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What's the measurement you get when you measure your waist around at the navel?.......And how did you determine your body fat percentage?.......Thanks
Only way to really determine accurate body fat percentage is via water displacement test or have someone who knows what they are doing use calipers. All other methods of trying to determine it are just guesstimates.
Only way to really determine accurate body fat percentage is via water displacement test or have someone who knows what they are doing use calipers. All other methods of trying to determine it are just guesstimates.
I agree, that's why I asked him where he got this percentage from. I'd also be curious what his age is, as body fat percentages increase with age for most people, whether they are gym fit or not.
If a man was between 6' and 6'1", had a borderline medium to large frame (shoulder circumference = 51.75"-52.25"/Neck Size is between 16"-16.5"), and his ideal BMI of 24 would place him at 180 lbs., what would be his perfect waist circumference as measured at his navel (not the usual spot where most me wear jeans and trousers above hip bone - In other words, I'm not looking for pants sizes)?
Thanks!
You're missing the point. BMI isn't particularly useful as an INDIVIDUAL number. Your neck size isn't meaningful either, nor is your shoulder circumfrence. If you want physique goal to shoot for (in the absence of a performance goal), shoot for BF%. Make sure you aren't measuring based on some chart or a fancy bathroom scale; go to someone with calipers or a bodypod.
You're missing the point. BMI isn't particularly useful as an INDIVIDUAL number. Your neck size isn't meaningful either, nor is your shoulder circumfrence. If you want physique goal to shoot for (in the absence of a performance goal), shoot for BF%. Make sure you aren't measuring based on some chart or a fancy bathroom scale; go to someone with calipers or a bodypod.
I understand what you're saying, friend, and I largely agree with you. The trouble with depending on body fat percentage is that an accurate reading is nearly impossible to come by unless you have use of a water immersion tank, most of which are only located at major university medical centres.
I quote BMI, not because I have a lot of faith in it as a predictor of fitness, but more as a guide to health. Statistics do bear out that a BMI of 24 (no more, no less), on AVERAGE, correlates to the optimum weight for good health.
I quote neck size, because it has, once again, on AVERAGE, an equal relationship with waist size on most fit individuals (...roughly 50% of true waist size measured around navel).
I used the shoulder circumference number because it is the hottest topic in gyms all around the world these days, especially how it plays a role in male aesthetics and female attraction. Google it sometime, and you'll see thousands of web pages devoted to the 1:1.618 ratio of a male's true waist compared to his shoulder circumference. It's what all the girls want in men these days, apparently.
My confusion arises from the fact that any tailor will tell you 99% of men do not have a shoulder circumference that is more than 7 inches larger than their chest size. Furthermore, I read that only 1 in a 100 men have a 10 inch drop in size between their chest and waist. So, a man with 52 inch shoulders, is unlikely to have a chest measurement anything less than 45 inches. That doesn't seem too out of the ordinary, but in order for the 1:1.618 rule of aesthetics to apply, that man would need a true waist measurement at his navel of 32.14".......That's an almost 13 inch drop between his waist and chest.......If only 1 out of 100 men have a 10 inch drop, I can't even imagine how rare, and impossible to achieve, a 13 inch drop would be.......
What do you think?........Am I reading this wrong?..........I realise the "ideal male body" (...at least according to women) is not an easy achievement, but it nearly sounds impossible.......These measurements sound like about 6% body fat........An unsustainable body fat percentage for just about any man, and I'd go so far to say absolutely impossible to achieve by any man over the age of 35.
Dude, dont take this the wrong way but why the heck are you so concerned with these ridiculous measurements? Who the heck worries about having a 1.618 shoulder cicumference of a waist measured around a navel..." Seriously. Stop worrying about trying to be "ideal" and focus on just trying to be better today than you were yesterday.
Just focus on eating healthy (with no cheat meals until you reach your goal) and working out with both weights and cardio at high intenstiy (i.e., Crossfit, HIT or Starting Strength). ....
...BMI is b.s. and should never be used or considered by ANYONE because its a bunch of crap.
^^^this^^^
We all have unique genetics and thus relatively unique body shapes and sizes. There is no "ideal' there's just models who have been made into celebrities by photographers and movie producers. Those people aren't "ideal' they are just other people who happen to have become famous. Be the best YOU and stop worrying about hip to waist to chest to shoulder ratios... those things are bizarrely contrived.
I'm 6' and 175, but have 16.5% bodyfat. My pant size is 34.
Its mostly due to my wide pelvic bones, not because of my tummy.
This. Some folks built differently. I have similar specs as Adi but narrower waist due to genetics.
Now weighlifting has increased the side muscle quite a bit and they slop outwards from the below the waist. Not tummy fat, no jiggle, but like slabs of muscle glued onto the sides. I do not know the anatomy. Obliques? But I have to wear a wider trouser waist compared to pre-weightlifting days.
Forget the waist size and watch your body fat. You know when you have stuff to lose.
I understand what you're saying, friend, and I largely agree with you. The trouble with depending on body fat percentage is that an accurate reading is nearly impossible to come by unless you have use of a water immersion tank, most of which are only located at major university medical centres.
No, you can get a good reading by someone who knows what they're doing with calipers. Google, ask around your gym, they might know someone. There is a nutrition counselor in my area, another doctors office that does the Dexa scan.
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used the shoulder circumference number because it is the hottest topic in gyms all around the world these days, especially how it plays a role in male aesthetics and female attraction. Google it sometime, and you'll see thousands of web pages devoted to the 1:1.618 ratio of a male's true waist compared to his shoulder circumference. It's what all the girls want in men these days, apparently.
Focus on growing the circumfrence of your wallet if you want to attract women
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My confusion arises from the fact that any tailor will tell you 99% of men do not have a shoulder circumference that is more than 7 inches larger than their chest size. Furthermore, I read that only 1 in a 100 men have a 10 inch drop in size between their chest and waist. So, a man with 52 inch shoulders, is unlikely to have a chest measurement anything less than 45 inches. That doesn't seem too out of the ordinary, but in order for the 1:1.618 rule of aesthetics to apply, that man would need a true waist measurement at his navel of 32.14".......That's an almost 13 inch drop between his waist and chest.......If only 1 out of 100 men have a 10 inch drop, I can't even imagine how rare, and impossible to achieve, a 13 inch drop would be.......
I think you're reading too much into it. I have a 10 inch drop (Or I would with 3-4 weeks of trying to lean out, kinda heavy right now as I've been injured) and all it means is that I have a hard time buying suits and that I look good wearing one. I'm still overweight. Do you really think that anyone outside of a bodybuilding competition is going to notice a 9 vs a 10 inch drop, or 52 vs 51 inch shoulders on a 46 chest? If you want broader shoulders and a bigger chest, then train hit the bench, military press, lat pull downs, etc...
Your waist only matters in proportion to your chest/shoulders in comparing physique. You won't be able to get much slimmer at the waist if you're 10% BF.
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What do you think?........Am I reading this wrong?..........I realise the "ideal male body" (...at least according to women) is not an easy achievement, but it nearly sounds impossible.......These measurements sound like about 6% body fat........An unsustainable body fat percentage for just about any man, and I'd go so far to say absolutely impossible to achieve by any man over the age of 35.
Who are these women you keep referring to? That is really low and rarely seen outside of the stage at a bodybuilding contests, not really sustainable, and doesn't make you more Athletic. English Premiership footballers tend to run around 10% bodyfat. NFL Defensive backs (the leanest players on the field) are usually 7%, Other positions more.
Okay, then what would you say is a healthy waist size for a 6'1" man, considering some of the other measurements I provided earlier?
I read something online that said judging by the size of my head circumference, my chest measurement should be in the 44-45" range. It didn't mention anything about waist or shoulder circumference.
People say 6-pack abs don't really appear in full on most men in the 6 foot range till they get their waist to 32 inches or just under 10% body fat.
Judging by these calculations, I'd say the "ideal body measurements" for a very in-shape, fit, 6'1" guy would be 10% body fat with a 32 inch waist, 45 inch chest and 52 inch shoulders.
Sound right?......Yeah, and I know everyone is different, and body shapes vary, and you shouldn't concentrate solely on numbers, etc, etc, etc.....But I'm just using numbers here to represent an idealised average, if you catch my drift.
Okay, then what would you say is a healthy waist size for a 6'1" man, considering some of the other measurements I provided earlier?
I read something online that said judging by the size of my head circumference, my chest measurement should be in the 44-45" range. It didn't mention anything about waist or shoulder circumference.
People say 6-pack abs don't really appear in full on most men in the 6 foot range till they get their waist to 32 inches or just under 10% body fat.
Judging by these calculations, I'd say the "ideal body measurements" for a very in-shape, fit, 6'1" guy would be 10% body fat with a 32 inch waist, 45 inch chest and 52 inch shoulders.
Sound right?......Yeah, and I know everyone is different, and body shapes vary, and you shouldn't concentrate solely on numbers, etc, etc, etc.....But I'm just using numbers here to represent an idealised average, if you catch my drift.
Dude, wherever online you are getting info you need to never go there again. WTH does a persons head circumference has to do with anything related to fitness?
Why the heck are you so worried about achieving the "ideal"? And really, who's "ideal" waist size are you shooting for? There is no "ideal" waist size.
Bottom line is, just try to be as healthy as you can. This is achieved by eating right and exercising. Stop with all the "ideal" talk and DEFINITELY stop with all the "1.4568 ratio of bone density in relation to the circumference the human skull as compared to body fat and quadricep to gluteus inversion ratio......." type stuff. It sounds like a teen girl at the early stages of eating disorder and extreme self conscious body image.
Im 6' 1" tall, and as of this morning I weigh 177 lbs, have visible abs and waist is always between 31" and 32" inches. I look GOOD!! I am not worried about any "ideal" because what is important to me is 1) my fitness level; and 2) How the ladies love it.
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