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I guess Crossfit is not going to interest you. Okay, how about powerlifting. Powerlifters focus on the three basics. Overhead pressing is not part of the main training - mostly barbell bench work done in pyramids. Powerlifters do focus on triceps work because it improves your bench press. I bet that would be a perfect fit for you and powerlifters have big chests and shoulders.
Powerlifting - yeah! Life is too short to be small.
I don't limit myself to narrow definitions like "bodybuilding" or "powerlifting". I just do a combination of weighted bodyweight work and strength training for the purpose of being fit.
Hmmm....bodybuilding and powerlifting could sound narrow. How about creating a workout manual with observations that you have made with injuries and lifting and how to train to avoid them. You could call it something like "Fitbits" or "Fit, Fitter and Fittest Training for the Cautious Athlete" or "ComboFit" or "The Big Safe and Bigger." There are many people that have made a lot of money off of training ideas and market these on infomercials or in fitness magazines. Billy Banks and Tae Boe from the 80's immediately comes to mind. Keep in mind that "Education is Important but Big Biceps is Importanter"
All of those muscles will be worked anyway even if you don't do any overhead press assuming you have even a half-decent program. Also, shoulders aren't exactly one muscle. They are 3 muscles that are used by different types of exercises: The front delts, the side delts, and the back delts. I am sure they are generally called some other fancier more complicated sounding names but whatever. The overhead press only properly trains the front delt, which is the same shoulder muscle that is used during chest presses. The back delts are used more during pulling exercises like rowing. The other muscles you mentioned are trained anyway when you do squats or deadlifts or some variant thereof.
Look, I understand the basics of weight training. I deadlift 500 lbs, squat 475 lbs and bench 320 lbs. I know what exercises work which muscles. Standing and pressing weight directly overhead is not the same as sitting in a chair using the chest press machine. The overhead press is a compound exercise, not an isolation exercise for the front delts. lol
Hmmm....bodybuilding and powerlifting could sound narrow. How about creating a workout manual with observations that you have made with injuries and lifting and how to train to avoid them. You could call it something like "Fitbits" or "Fit, Fitter and Fittest Training for the Cautious Athlete" or "ComboFit" or "The Big Safe and Bigger." There are many people that have made a lot of money off of training ideas and market these on infomercials or in fitness magazines. Billy Banks and Tae Boe from the 80's immediately comes to mind. Keep in mind that "Education is Important but Big Biceps is Importanter"
lol wut
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Originally Posted by Chicago South Sider
The overhead press is a compound exercise, not an isolation exercise for the front delts. lol
Yes I know that it also uses the triceps and partially the chest. My point was that the front delts are the only parts of the shoulder the overhead press uses to any meaningful degree, and that this part of the shoulder is trained during presses anyway.
Yes I know that it also uses the triceps and partially the chest. My point was that the front delts are the only parts of the shoulder the overhead press uses to any meaningful degree, and that this part of the shoulder is trained during presses anyway.
The overhead press also works the traps. Anyway, I'm done here. You keep doing what you do and I'll keep doing what I do. It sounds like you know a lot more than I do about weight training.
The overhead press is a controversial movement. I think it's due to the rigid structure of the barbell, which keeps your hands in an unnatural position. Some people do develop problems from this.
Dumbell and Kettlebell presses are probably safer alternatives. One could also use headstand pushups to develop their shoulders, so long as they are using the correct technique.
If you are completely unable to do overhead presses, a person could do turkish get ups for shoulder stability or do 90 degree bench presses.
What Jobster says - Kettlebell presses, headstand pushups and Turkish get ups. This brings us back to Crossfit. I am telling ya Hakkarin - Crossfit. Don't Use Machines, Become one.
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