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Old 07-19-2018, 06:30 PM
 
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Ok, your position is quite ridiculous, but you don't seem to be willing to give it up so carry on.

Debatable.

Why not use protein powders? They're cheap (often more so than "real" food if you buy in bulk) healthy and readily available. There really isn't a single objective reason to not use them.

Also, I'd point out that unless you're consuming absolute metric **** tons of dairy, it's hard to get a good amount of whey/casein protein without a very high caloric intake unless you use isolated powders.
There's no need to eat high amounts of whey/casein protein to build muscle. You just need protein, period. And there's no evidence that greater than 0.6-8.g/lb of bodyweight is needed to build muscle. So actually, it's quite easy to get enough protein.
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Old 07-19-2018, 06:33 PM
 
Location: Tampa (by way of Omaha)
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Compared to other professional individual sports, this is a very very very small number of people.
Crossfitters aren't professional athletes.
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Old 07-19-2018, 06:40 PM
 
Location: Tampa (by way of Omaha)
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There's no need to eat high amounts of whey/casein protein to build muscle.
"Need" is a strong word, but there are at least a few reasons that dairy proteins should make up a good amount of your protein intake. Their superiority in both calcium and leucine levels being a big one.

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You just need protein, period. And there's no evidence that greater than 0.6-8.g/lb of bodyweight is needed to build muscle. So actually, it's quite easy to get enough protein.
For someone like me who carries ~200lb of LBM, that's still about 200 grams of protein a day.
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Old 07-19-2018, 07:03 PM
 
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"Need" is a strong word, but there are at least a few reasons that dairy proteins should make up a good amount of your protein intake. Their superiority in both calcium and leucine levels being a big one.

For someone like me who carries ~200lb of LBM, that's still about 200 grams of protein a day.
I see, well the fact that you come from the perspective of someone quite large does change the equation considerably.
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Old 07-19-2018, 08:23 PM
 
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A lot of those ladies look like they take something.

At the end, no athlete is 100% natural. They are taking some sort of protein powder, legal performance enhancer, etc.
I was expecting someone to come on this thread and start equatimgy protein supplements with PEDs.
That didn't take long- fourth post.
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Old 07-19-2018, 08:32 PM
 
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I'm not surprised that Emily Abbott got popped for PED usage. She pitched a fit online last year when a guy rejected her on Bumble. The kind of anger she showed with that incident is indicative of temper tantrums ('roid rage) common with PED users.
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I read the whole article, and didn't see any fit. The guy was rude to her. He knew what she looked like before he swiped to the right. He just wanted to talk smack about her to make himself look like more of a man. Not cool, not cool at all.
They were both in the wrong there. He did not need to swipe right on her if he did not dig her body type. Too many women in Western countries are overweight or obese, so an overly fit woman like Emily Abbott isn't a bad deal compared to an overly obese woman. However, swipe left was invented for a reason.

However, she did not need to make a big deal out of what he did. She could have just handled it privately.

If a person just looks at pictures of Emily Abbott, it would be reasonable to think that she is using PEDs. Testing confirmed it.
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Old 07-20-2018, 12:50 AM
 
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[from the OP's link] Megan Benzik, 28th South, epimentendiol, metabolites of methandienone and oxandrolone, epioxandrolone, methanol, a letrozole metabolie, and amphetamine

Methanol? huh? Did she want to die?

These girls look gorgeous. It's too bad they're on PEDs, but I'm not going to stop admiring their looks and performance.
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Old 07-20-2018, 12:51 AM
 
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They were both in the wrong there. He did not need to swipe right on her if he did not dig her body type. Too many women in Western countries are overweight or obese, so an overly fit woman like Emily Abbott isn't a bad deal compared to an overly obese woman. However, swipe left was invented for a reason.

However, she did not need to make a big deal out of what he did. She could have just handled it privately.

If a person just looks at pictures of Emily Abbott, it would be reasonable to think that she is using PEDs. Testing confirmed it.
She was more wrong. He was just being a dick. She violated the assumed right of privacy between two people communicating with each other (and no one else).
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Old 07-20-2018, 03:18 AM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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I love the ridiculous explanation given, like somehow a fairy flew into her room and stuffed PEDs down her throat while she slept.

I would say ALL of the top-tier women in crossfit take PEDs. The ones who don't simply get left behind.
In her explanation of what happened, Abbott seems to be implying that someone else fed the PEDs to her. This is something that has happened to many other athletes, especially younger ones, who are dosed with such things, without their knowledge, by unscrupulous coaches. But her guilt or innocence would probably be impossible to determine, unless someone confessed to having given it to her, without her consent.

Athletics were a lot simpler in the days before such drugs were invented. Now, there's an an implied guilt of using banned substances, if someone gets too strong or too good at a sport. If the governing bodies of sports put an athlete in their crosshairs, they usually find some way to make them seem guilty. And there's other athletes that they know are guilty, but they are more favored and allowed to slip by.
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Old 07-20-2018, 07:34 AM
 
Location: A coal patch in Pennsyltucky
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There's no need to eat high amounts of whey/casein protein to build muscle. You just need protein, period. And there's no evidence that greater than 0.6-8.g/lb of bodyweight is needed to build muscle. So actually, it's quite easy to get enough protein.
Extra protein (typically about 30 to 50 grams per day) from a powder or drink can help athletes build muscle and older people prevent or reverse age-related loss of muscle and strength when used in conjunction with resistance-type exercise. It may also help people with diabetes maintain blood sugar levels and even reverse diabetes if taken as part of low calorie diet.

To increase protein in the diet, one can turn to meats, which are complete protein sources because they provide all the essential amino acids. The downside to meats, especially red meat, is that they can also provide significant amounts of saturated fat and cholesterol. Another way to increase protein intake is by combining large servings of incomplete proteins such as legumes and grains, but this increases carbohydrate and calorie intake. Powders and drinks offer a protein alternative without significantly increasing consumption of fats, carbohydrates, cholesterol, or calories.

The Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics (AND) states that the daily maximum usable amount of protein for adults is 1 gram/pound, or 150 grams for a 150 lb. person.

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If a person just looks at pictures of Emily Abbott, it would be reasonable to think that she is using PEDs. Testing confirmed it.
I looked at pictures of her and I disagree that it would be reasonable to think that she is using PEDs. I've watched the Crossfit games on TV and did not think the women were overly muscular. Take a look at women bodybuilders, if you want to see overly muscular women who look like they are using PEDs.

Here is a picture of Emily Abbott: https://journal.crossfit.com/article/abbott-the-red-2




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