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Old 06-09-2009, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Tampa (by way of Omaha)
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I fully agree with the above, I would simply be wary to make a recommendation for its use in a young man who is probably not ready for the kind of intense training that would justify a creatine regimine. Unless he's ready to be hitting the weights really hard and really heavy at least three days a week he probably has little use for a creatine supplement.
Agreed, that's why I said he should probably wait a year or so before hitting the creatine. At 16, he will almost certainly be physically ready to begin a serious workout regime that would benefit from creatine.

With that being said, it's not going to hurt him if he takes it now.
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Old 06-09-2009, 10:36 AM
 
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I think supplements are unnecessary if one is eating healthy enough foods. Plenty of great natural sources of protein like MILK (!), eggs, beef, chicken, turkey, peanut butter, etc.
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Old 06-09-2009, 11:17 AM
 
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I think supplements are unnecessary if one is eating healthy enough foods. Plenty of great natural sources of protein like MILK (!), eggs, beef, chicken, turkey, peanut butter, etc.
Unfortunately, that's really not true. My protein shakes contain 23g of protein per 8oz shake, and 31g if mixed with my low carb milk instead of water. To get that same amount of protein I'd have to eat roughly...

- 5 extra large eggs
- 6 oz of turkey ham or skinless chicken breast
- 24oz of 1% milk

And then all of that (except for the milk) would have to be cooked in some way, while I can mix together a protein shake in less than a minute and pour it into a container to take with me. Also the protein shakes will likely absorb faster than the protein in the food.

A normal, everyday person can get enough protein with just the diet, but anyone who is on a workout program looking to gain strength should be taking 1g of protein for every 1lb of lean body weight and unless you're taking the protein shakes, they'll be eating rather large amounts of food.

Besides, I don't know why anyone would be against the protein supplement. They're cheap (I pay $30 for a 5lb bag that lasts quite awhile) easy to make and completely safe.
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Old 06-09-2009, 04:19 PM
 
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Why not? There are plenty of supplements out there that are plenty safe with varying degrees of usefulness.

At the very least, he should be using protein shakes and creatine would be good as well, although he might want to wait a year on that. Glutamine would be another one that he could safely take.

Vibe, here is a great page that gives you exercises by muscle group. You should alternate between upper and lower body and keep your reps low and weight high to build strength.

Bodybuilding.com - #1 Exercises Guide - Over 300 Exercises!

Because he's 15 ! can you read?
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Old 06-09-2009, 04:40 PM
 
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Because he's 15 ! can you read?
Being 15 is not an issue when it come to protein supplementation. As long as he is getting proper nutrition in his regular meals, and supplementing meals with protein, not replacing, there should not be a problem.
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Old 06-09-2009, 05:04 PM
 
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Being 15 is not an issue when it come to protein supplementation. As long as he is getting proper nutrition in his regular meals, and supplementing meals with protein, not replacing, there should not be a problem.

At 15 he has no or very little medical history. No idea if he has a genetic kidney disease predisposition. There is NO need to add even more protein to a normal diet.

It is extremely irresponsible to tell a fifteen year old to take anything without knowing a thing about him.
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Old 06-09-2009, 06:24 PM
 
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Furthermore, the supplement industry owns almost all of the workout-related magazines and they've brainwashed people into thinking they need more than they really do. Look at some of the guys who were in bodybuilding the 1950s and 1960s--some of them were huge and their physiques were completely natural.

The average person can get big and strong just by eating the right foods in the right amounts and doing the right exercises. It's really only that top 5% of athletes that will need the extra boost from designer supplements. The problem is that just about everyone in the gym thinks they're in that 5%, when they're obviously not.

A 15 year old kid most certainly does not need to pump himself full of supplements. Read some of Mark Rippetoe's stuff, especially his book Starting Strength and what he says about GOMAD for beginners.
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Old 06-09-2009, 08:27 PM
 
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At 15 he has no or very little medical history. No idea if he has a genetic kidney disease predisposition. There is NO need to add even more protein to a normal diet.

It is extremely irresponsible to tell a fifteen year old to take anything without knowing a thing about him.
You should probably go educate yourself before you start running at the mouth about this stuff.
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Old 06-09-2009, 08:29 PM
 
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Furthermore, the supplement industry owns almost all of the workout-related magazines and they've brainwashed people into thinking they need more than they really do. Look at some of the guys who were in bodybuilding the 1950s and 1960s--some of them were huge and their physiques were completely natural.

The average person can get big and strong just by eating the right foods in the right amounts and doing the right exercises. It's really only that top 5% of athletes that will need the extra boost from designer supplements. The problem is that just about everyone in the gym thinks they're in that 5%, when they're obviously not.

A 15 year old kid most certainly does not need to pump himself full of supplements. Read some of Mark Rippetoe's stuff, especially his book Starting Strength and what he says about GOMAD for beginners.
There are tons of worthless supplements out there, but there are many that work very well. Protein and creatine have been proven time and time again to be effective and completely safe.
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Old 06-11-2009, 09:31 PM
 
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There are tons of worthless supplements out there, but there are many that work very well. Protein and creatine have been proven time and time again to be effective and completely safe.
I'll concede that much, but for the amateur trainer, which includes most people that you see in gyms, supplements aren't a necessity.
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