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Old 05-12-2013, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Interior AK
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I'm not trying to avoid road fuel tax, I don't even own any diesel equipment; I'm just trying to find clear kerosene on pump to burn in appropriate appliances. I get that they added the red dye to keep people from using non-taxed "utility" kerosene in their diesel road vehicles, unfortunately the dye makes it unusable for many of it's intended purposes (wicked stoves, heaters and lamps).

Since Jet-A is on pump, I can fill a reusable poly container and buy in bulk instead of buying K-1 clear in small single-use metal pails. The fact that Jet-A is less expensive than K-1 is just a bonus... if the airport will sell it to me for other than aviation purposes. I can honestly answer "no" to road use, but not "yes" to putting it in a plane.
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Old 05-12-2013, 12:23 PM
 
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Buy a small RC plane. I doubt they will ask how big the plane is!
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Old 05-12-2013, 12:24 PM
 
Location: MMU->ABE->ATL->ASH
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I was not saying you were trying to avoid Taxes. But giving some in-site to the getting fuel at the airport.

FBO's have been audited, for selling Fuel for non/aviation uses, where people have used if for 'road' use. I 'think' you can apply in your federal income tax return for get the aviation fuel tax returned, If your use it for other uses.

Take a look at form Publication 510 (07/2012), Excise Taxes
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Old 05-12-2013, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Interior AK
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Yes, if you used undyed kerosene (commercial or aviation) for cooking, heating or light you can itemize the excise tax on your return for a deduction/credit. Nearly all my fuel is tax deductible/creditible under the "farm use" or "stationary equipment" provisions, so filing specifically for an excise refund is redundant.
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Old 05-12-2013, 02:12 PM
 
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Moose - Does your small R/C plane have an N - number on it?

Go ahead and file the excise tax exemptions... Get ready to get visited and audited. Not that it is a problem or that you (or I) should be worried about it, but it is a PITA.

FWIW, even when you buy red around here, they take a copy of your DL. But I can go to a local airport, write down the N number of a plane en route (if I don't have one handy already) and pump as much AvGas as I want. At $5 - $6 per gal, you don't get it to cheat the system of taxes. Regular fuel is $3.37-$3.59 and D2 is $3.79-$3.99 around here. Ohh and NON-ETHANOL fuel is $4.25, which I buy a 5-gal at a time to run in my yard equipment. I already lost a weedeater due to E10.

Personally, I like using BioDiesel, but that doesn't work out so well in cold climate areas. I like how it quiets down the equipment.
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Old 05-12-2013, 03:28 PM
 
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Moose - Does your small R/C plane have an N - number on it?
I've got plenty of tail numbers in my log book!
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Old 05-12-2013, 04:41 PM
 
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I'm sure, Moose...
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Old 05-25-2013, 08:45 PM
 
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FYI, the Jet-A burned in the jets at the airport in Fairbanks is identical to the #1 Heating Oil delivered to your house. Both refined at the same place and both come out of the same tank. The Low Sulfur Diesel at the pumps in the winter time would probably be better to burn in a lantern or whatever.
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Old 05-26-2013, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Interior AK
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The only #1 Heating Oil I've seen up here contains the red dye. If I could buy heating oil on pump for my heaters and lanterns that DIDN'T contain the dye or other funky additives, I'd be more than happy to. Now, if you're saying that the Jet-A also contains the red dye, then I'll have a problem. If you're saying the only way I can get #1 heating oil without red dye is if I get it delivered, then I have another problem (I'm in the bush).

(Ultra)Low Sulfur Diesel would be an acceptable subsitute for outdoor/vented use in a heater, but not for indoor/unvented use in heater or lantern. While ULSD burns cleaner than other diesel, it isn't as clean as K1 clear and the additives it contains do cause sooting and emmissions... not only are these bad to breath, they damage wicks and leave residue on lamp globes and celings/walls.
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Old 05-26-2013, 06:44 PM
 
Location: MMU->ABE->ATL->ASH
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Jet-A will never have die in it.

Would gunk up the Jet Turbines.
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