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Old 07-31-2020, 01:21 PM
 
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It sounds like children need food and the funds have already been allocated.

Count your blessings if you live somewhere comfortable and suffer from high taxes. A hungry child does not need your snooty comments about birth control, irresponsible parents and AK stereotypes in general.
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Old 07-31-2020, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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The problem is that there is no end to property tax, thus governments own your property. You, nor your children, will ever own the property you pay for.

Police and fire are "services" we pay for, and are completely different than property taxes. If all should pay school taxes, then tenants-with children or not, should also pay property tax, school bonds, and the rest. The fact is that schools should be paid "as services" that are paid by the children's' parents, not just by property owners. In general, state taxes are to the benefit to local and state workers and their families, not to the private sector workers and their families. Private-sector workers, in general, don't have the cushy retirement benefits, and health/medical insurances government workers have.

~Disclaimer: I, a government worker...

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Old 07-31-2020, 07:19 PM
 
Location: North Dakota
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What is it with schools being responsible for feeding people's children?

If you can't feed 'em, don't breed 'em.
I don't get why people keep breeding when they can't feed their kids.
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Old 07-31-2020, 08:25 PM
 
Location: Anchorage
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I don't get why people keep breeding when they can't feed their kids.
Because they know that the government will feed them, therefore they don't.
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Old 08-02-2020, 05:12 PM
 
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Good ol Murcia!! Punish the children for the sins of their parents.
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Old 08-02-2020, 06:04 PM
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Location: Østenfor sol og vestenfor måne
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I would think that by the age of 45 and never having had children, my debt to society for my public education should have been paid off...
When you pay taxes to support public education, you are not paying to have another person's kid educated, you are paying for the privilege of living in a society with neighbors and countrymen who are at least minimally educated.

Imagine your costs if everyone around you was as dumb as a stump. "They already are!" you say? Well now imagine what your life would be like if a significant portion of the population were illiterate and superstitious.
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Old 08-02-2020, 08:22 PM
 
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The problem is that there is no end to property tax, thus governments own your property. You, nor your children, will ever own the property you pay for.

Police and fire are "services" we pay for, and are completely different than property taxes. If all should pay school taxes, then tenants-with children or not, should also pay property tax, school bonds, and the rest. The fact is that schools should be paid "as services" that are paid by the children's' parents, not just by property owners. In general, state taxes are to the benefit to local and state workers and their families, not to the private sector workers and their families. Private-sector workers, in general, don't have the cushy retirement benefits, and health/medical insurances government workers have.
~Disclaimer: I, a government worker...
Ray, since you're talking about taxes, what is AK's plan for when AK oil is either "depleted", or is unwanted by the world due to electrification of autos, etc.? Not sure what the timeframe would be for either (probably in the tens vs single digits of years), but sooner or later, the pipeline won't be producing a whole lot of revenue anymore (it may not even be currently due to the dropoff in oil usage due to Covid). What will reproduce the taxes and jobs that it currently generates? It isn't an AK-only problem (the shale states will likely be hit hardest first), but eventually even TX is likely going to stop production if prices fall and stay down.
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Old 08-02-2020, 08:51 PM
 
Location: Bernalillo, NM
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Ray, since you're talking about taxes, what is AK's plan for when AK oil is either "depleted", or is unwanted by the world due to electrification of autos, etc.?
The idea that oil (as well as natural gas) will ever be unwanted is a false narrative. Over 25% of the oil currently coming out of the ground is used to make make plastics and other petrochemicals that are ubiquitous in modern society. See https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/...use-of-oil.php.

The petrochemical industry to produce all sorts of everyday living products - plastics, rubbers, resins, synthetic fibers, medicines, diapers, adhesives, dyes, beauty products, detergents, pesticides, paints and other coatings, crayons, glasses...the list goes on and on. They are also required to manufacture many parts of the modern energy system, including solar panels, wind turbines, batteries, thermal insulation and electric vehicles.

Demand for petrochemicals has more than tripled since 2000, and is expected to continue to grow - see https://www.iea.org/news/petrochemic...analysis-finds.

More than one very smart individual has said that we shouldn't be "wasting" all the oil and gas we do, by burning it in our vehicles and other industries. Instead we should be saving it for petrochemical use.

Oil will never be dead.
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Old 08-02-2020, 11:55 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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Ray, since you're talking about taxes, what is AK's plan for when AK oil is either "depleted", or is unwanted by the world due to electrification of autos, etc.? Not sure what the timeframe would be for either (probably in the tens vs single digits of years), but sooner or later, the pipeline won't be producing a whole lot of revenue anymore (it may not even be currently due to the dropoff in oil usage due to Covid). What will reproduce the taxes and jobs that it currently generates? It isn't an AK-only problem (the shale states will likely be hit hardest first), but eventually even TX is likely going to stop production if prices fall and stay down.
Any place where there aren't any private sector industries nor any other businesses (production in general), there cannot be taxes, since there is not a private sector (no production). So, lest say that Alaska has no oil, no mining, no travel and tourism...nothing. In that case we go bust, and have no taxes. The Federal Government keeps on pumping money into Alaska, but lots of people who's homes and toys haven been paid for already, also go bust when they loose their jobs, and most leave Alaska.

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Old 08-03-2020, 12:21 AM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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When you pay taxes to support public education, you are not paying to have another person's kid educated, you are paying for the privilege of living in a society with neighbors and countrymen who are at least minimally educated.

Imagine your costs if everyone around you was as dumb as a stump. "They already are!" you say? Well now imagine what your life would be like if a significant portion of the population were illiterate and superstitious.
We have lots of educated people around Alaska working in the retail industry. There is no guarantee that just because you are educated and have a diploma, that there will be work for you in the private sector. I have known two biologists that have been working at some of the local warehouses for many years, and a History graduate who is a janitor at UAF. A certified plumber or electrician can land a well-pid job just about anywhere in town. These days a skill can bring you more money than a diploma.
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