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Old 08-03-2020, 01:29 AM
 
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We have lots of educated people around Alaska working in the retail industry. There is no guarantee that just because you are educated and have a diploma, that there will be work for you in the private sector. I have known two biologists that have been working at some of the local warehouses for many years, and a History graduate who is a janitor at UAF. A certified plumber or electrician can land a well-pid job just about anywhere in town. These days a skill can bring you more money than a diploma.
Those skilled jobs are educated.

Education isn’t only reading, writing, and math.
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Old 08-03-2020, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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Those skilled jobs are educated.

Education isn’t only reading, writing, and math.
One does not have to attend school to become a plumber or electrician, just around 10,000 of work oil the specific trade under the supervision of a certified (the training hours are recorded). This is called on the job training (OJT). At the end of the training (it may take a few years to accumulate 10,000 hours), then one has to pass a test of the construction codes (electrical or plumbing) to attain the license.
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Old 08-04-2020, 10:55 AM
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Location: MA/NH
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One does not have to attend school to become a plumber or electrician, just around 10,000 of work oil the specific trade under the supervision of a certified (the training hours are recorded). This is called on the job training (OJT). At the end of the training (it may take a few years to accumulate 10,000 hours), then one has to pass a test of the construction codes (electrical or plumbing) to attain the license.
Agree!! First, let me say that what AK and NH have in common is that they are both extremely rural states. And yes, no one wants a citizenship that is a majority under-educated. However, America seems to be producing an excess of white collar workers, ones saddled with high college loan debts. In addition, these types of young adults are unable to find work in their fields in rural areas, so after graduation, they stay in urban areas which have the jobs they are trained for and that pay more than the jobs back home in their rural home states. So for AK and NH, it doesn't benefit the state to try to herd their best and brightest students into the STEM fields.

On the other hand, also offering their best and brightest students to consider careers in the skilled trades does benefit states like AK and NH. There is a predicted upcoming shortage in the skilled trades. The work pays well and if combined later on with community college courses in small business administration and accounting, it sets that young adult up for success in life. Plus, the fastest way to build equity in oneself is to be able to buy a cheap fixer-upper, renovate the structure and either live in it or flip it. Personally, I would rather a rehabber just stay living in that home, because house-flippers are driving up the real estate prices.

And what is a well educated adult anyway? There are very few young adults that seem like well-rounded educated human beings. They lack common sense, empathy, and social manners, and are glued to social media. And it seems that whatever it was that they studied in school is forgotten quickly if they don't need that knowledge for work. And the other scary aspect is that in these times of the pandemic lockdown, the majority of parents seem scared to attempt to homeschool their children. WTF is that all about? Grade school students are not studying rocket science. Any adult with a high school degree ought to be able to tutor a student in grades K-12. And for a college graduate, the task should be a lot easier.

IMO the public school systems need to be overhauled, and the curriculum revisited. Every child needs a solid education in English, basic math and sciences, some music and arts, gym classes for good exercise habits, and lastly bring back industrial shop classes and home economics (personal finance, cooking etc...). Then add to that an honors track for the students with a strong desire for STEM. But not every child needs a STEM education. Also, parents and teachers need to teach those students that the learning process extends beyond their classroom years. Public libraries and the internet offer so much free knowledge that is theirs for the taking.

And parents need to step up and start parenting their kids properly and either be good role models for their children or point out other adults as good role models. And parents should stop being so focused on attempting to be their child's best friend. No. Parents need to be parents, to be respected and not their peer.
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Old 08-07-2020, 11:26 AM
 
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And as said someone did pay for them -- but not the dirt bag parents who can/will not provide - they just mate. 50% or more of public education has nothing to do with education -- it is a social program and mindless indoctrination to do what parent used to do several generations back. Slowly degraded to today's "modern teacher and public school" Today, the school has taken over parenting and tosses in a bit of so called education as a bonus. Hell, they even deliver meals to home if the kid does no go! Alaska spend a fortune and get a chit result.





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The funding for those meals were already paid out. There is a reason why the meal programs went into effect and why they are funded.

As a public school teacher, I assure you, there are more kids than you realize that eat twice a day. Those two meals are provided at school. Sad. But it’s reality.
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Old 08-07-2020, 04:28 PM
 
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Thank you for gracing us with your very important Chicagoan opinion.
Well he is paying for it, I think he has a right to voice his opinion.

The National School Lunch Program if you didn't know is a federal program. Taxpayers pay some $20 billion a year for this program, doesn't matter what state. It's a good program, but just like anything it's subject to abuse and/or from the results of lack of personal responsibility.

So what you should do right now is say thank you to him for funding it and respect his opinion, and silence the sarcasm.
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Old 08-08-2020, 01:56 AM
 
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One does not have to attend school to become a plumber or electrician, just around 10,000 of work oil the specific trade under the supervision of a certified (the training hours are recorded). This is called on the job training (OJT). At the end of the training (it may take a few years to accumulate 10,000 hours), then one has to pass a test of the construction codes (electrical or plumbing) to attain the license.
And that is education.
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Old 08-08-2020, 01:59 AM
 
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And as said someone did pay for them -- but not the dirt bag parents who can/will not provide - they just mate. 50% or more of public education has nothing to do with education -- it is a social program and mindless indoctrination to do what parent used to do several generations back. Slowly degraded to today's "modern teacher and public school" Today, the school has taken over parenting and tosses in a bit of so called education as a bonus. Hell, they even deliver meals to home if the kid does no go! Alaska spend a fortune and get a chit result.
Wonder why the school systems have to teach parenting? As far as indoctrination...yeah, you had me in your corner til that statement.
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Old 08-08-2020, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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And that is education.
Agree; but it's not a public school education, just a learned skill.
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Old 08-08-2020, 03:33 PM
 
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Agree; but it's not a public school education, just a learned skill.
When was your last public school experience?
Those skills can be taught in public schools.
Also, public schools will teach the skills needed to pass those tests.
Not all schools focus on reading, writing, and math only.

Keyman’s school built a house as a class if I’m not mistaken.
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Old 08-08-2020, 04:08 PM
 
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Is the discussion here about 10.000 hours on the job to get a blue collar credential or how and why to feed children NOW?
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